The year of the suppressor, any advice?

Discussion in 'Guns, Ammunition, and Reloading' started by Tony Harris, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. Tony Harris

    Tony Harris Super Moderator<br>2012-13 Deer Hunting Contest Wi Staff Member

    Well my hearing is shot, my ears have been ringing now for close to 20 years. It is about as loud as when someone claps their hands loudly close to you and your ears ring. Background noises kill all distinction between voices and woodland sounds. I bought the Quad Muffs and they do work, but man I hate them things. So this year I am buying a new rifle and having it outfitted with a suppressor. This will be my deer rifle so it will be a bolt action and I am looking at something in 243, 25/06 or 308. Have any of you had any dealings with public grade suppressors? I know they run around $750 and the permit runs around $200 per year but if I can retain what little hearing I have it will be worth it. Any help will be appreciated.
     
  2. John Stiles

    John Stiles Ultimate Member 2007 Team Turkey Contest Winner

    I don't know for sure if they have it or not....but I had a "sonic" on my sniper rifle. Not the same as a silencer....changes the soundwaves, from an arrow configuration to a "v" configuration while suppressing most of the sound. It made an M14-7.62(.308) sound like a .22! Maybe Orego's on airport road in Hot Springs....they have some very interesting items in that place:eek::wink:
     

  3. Mr. Chitlin

    Mr. Chitlin Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Tony,

    I'll give you a little info on suppressors before you get into something and are disappointed.

    I have a 22 caliber suppressor that I use on my AR's and can also use on 22 rimfires. What a suppressor does is dampens the muzzle blast, but if the bullet is going supersonic (over ~1200 fps) then you will still get a loud crack from the bullet breaking the sound barrier. On my AR's, the sound is low enough that you can shoot without muffs, but it isn't really comfortable, it's about like shooting a 22 Magnum. I have done it some, but wouldn't do it for an extended period of time or a lot of shooting. When I shoot standard velocity 22 rimfire it is subsonic, about the only thing you hear are the hammer fall and the bullet strike on target. Hi Velocity 22LR still breaks the sound barrier and has the loud crack, but it isn't as loud as unsuppressed 22LR.

    I'm not sure exactly what you are going to put the suppressor on, but if it is the 300 UM, you might need to check and see if it will handle the pressure of that round. I DO know that there are suppressors for the 7.62x51 (308 Win). By no means do I want to talk you out of the suppressor, but another alternative might be a 308 with a 24 of 26 inch barrel. That would help get the muzzle blast a little farther out, and the 308 wouldn't have near the blast of the big magnums. You will also have to have your barrel threaded, and it will need to be done by someone familiar with suppressors and that can do the threading properly and in perfect line with the bore. Otherwise, the first time you pull the trigger you can get an endcap strike and have a nice pretty EXTRA hole in the end of your $750 suppressor. You'll need to sight your rifle in with the suppressor on, because there could be a change in the point of impact with it on and off. On my AR that I usually run the suppressor on, the POI change was only about a half inch down and left at 100 yards. Every gun is different.

    Now on to the legal side. You will fill out an ATF Form 4 for the transfer of the suppressor. You will have to find a Class 3 dealer, tell him what you want, and then pay for it. He will order it from the manufacturer, get it transferred to him, and then the paperwork will start. You will send in 2 F4's, 2 Citizenship forms, 2 ATF fingerprint cards, and 2 photos. You'll also have to get the CLEO of the county you reside in to sign the waiver on the back of the F4 stating that he knows of no reason that you can't legally possess the C3 item. If the CLEO is gun friendly, he will sign, if he's not and won't sign, there are ways around him. (Ask me how I know...) Also a check for $200, which is a 1 time fee. Once you are approved, they will send the F4 to the dealer with your canceled tax stamp, the dealer will call you, and then you can go take possession of your new toy. NFA items must be locked up when not in use, and no one except the person whom it is "registered" to can have access to the locked area that the NFA item is stored in. This means that your wife can't have access to it, your son can't have access to it, no one can have access to it without you being there with them. Any time you are in possession of the C3 item, you MUST have your paperwork with you at all times to prove that it is in your legal possession. This seems like a lot of hassle, but it really isn't, if your mind is made up to know the law and follow it. One last thing, you can't take it out of state without filing a form with the ATF before you travel, and if suppressors aren't legal in the state you want to travel to, you can't take it there.

    The $200 fee is not actually a "registration" as so many people think it is, it is actually a $200 Tax that you are paying on the item. You will have a canceled $200 stamp on your original form that they send you, just as the US Mail has a canceled 41 cent stamp on it. You will make copies of the ATF form and put the original in a safe place (I use a safe deposit box).

    If you really think you might be interested, and if you get up this way, we can take mine out and let you see what it is all about. Also, there are some other things I could talk to you about if you really think you might pursue a suppressor. If so, we'll talk on the phone.

    I'm sure I am missing something here, and with this information, you'll probably have more questions. Feel free to ask and I'll help any way I can.
     
  4. Matt_W

    Matt_W Well-Known Member

    Would the suppressor be legal to hunt with? I don't know Arkansas view on suppressors for hunting. Something you may try is the in the ear electronic ear plugs. I use them, and am very pleased. Walmart has them very reasonable.
     
  5. Wes Ramsey

    Wes Ramsey Well-Known Member

  6. After reading Mr. C's post, electronic ear plugs would be less headache. But i would still tell the wife you need a new gun to go with them :thumb:
     
  7. Tony Harris

    Tony Harris Super Moderator<br>2012-13 Deer Hunting Contest Wi Staff Member

    The new gun thing is a done deal. I cleaned the 300RUM and put it up. I may try a good set of ear buds and see if that helps during turkey season. I still would like to try a suppressor on the new rifle however.
     
  8. grits and gravy

    grits and gravy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is legal to hunt with a suppressed weapon, or for that matter, a fully auto weapon. AGFC does not have any regs against it. However if you commit a violation and are using a suppressed or auto weapon, you are committing a violation of the ATF laws. This can result if you being prosecuted under federal laws. This is true even if your weapon is completely legal with all the ATF stuff having been completed. So, be completly sure that you are following all the laws.
     
  9. LGustin

    LGustin Well-Known Member

    Hey Tony, I am not sure where you are located, I am in Van Buren. I have a few suppressors (a couple in transfer now) that range from 22LR to 308. If you would like to see what they are like I would welcome you to try mine.