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I've watched the ammunition situation and its roller coaster for the last several years - including the massive ammo "shortages" of the Obama era - fueled by hoarding and fears that his administration would actively try to take our firearms (and there likely was at least a seed of reason to think that). Yet even then - ammo could be found if one was patient and/or willing to show up when a retailer was putting out stock. .22 rimfire got a bit hard to find - fueling an upsurge in the newer .17 family of rimfire... But the real shortages didn't last all that long.

Then the Trump administration saw ammo supplies seem to come back to some kind of reasonable level - and even the ubiquitous .22 rimfire varieties became plentiful and the prices came back to almost reasonable prices...

And then COVID... Covid helped fuel an ammo buy that dwarfed previous hoarding. But to make the matter much worse for the consumer this time around: Remington Arms was in the throws of a very painful and terminal debt cancer. Production at one of the US's largest manufacturers ground to a near standstill with hundreds of employees out of work - and a company that couldn't capitalize on the now record demand. Even before COVID crushed the supply of raw materials - their debt and twin bankruptcies made it extra-ordinarily difficult for them to procure materials - meaning they couldn't even produce their way out of the hole -

Oh -and this isn't even including the millions of new firearms owners - fueled not only by the COVID panic, but even more - by the election uncertainty that drove January 2021 gun sales to new records (are these not mostly near-useless blunt force weapons - since ammo is nowhere to be found?).

I like to make the round to the shooting supplies section of whatever retailer I happen to be in - if for no other reason than to laugh at the empty shelves. I'm no longer laughing... as the shelves are again filled - but now with other accessories and merchandise. Both fo the local Atwoods locations for me have been completely out of all ammunition for months - at first simply putting up signs that they didn't know when they might get more in - to now having signs at the entrances - and they have completely repurposed the display case for other merchandise- They have been told not to expect ANY ammo for months... They do still have a few firearms for sale - but obviously their sales have diminished if for no other reason than the lack of ammol

I made a stop at the Rogers Bass Pro/Cabelas this morning and made a beeline to the ammo shelves. It has been a couple of months since I stepped foot in there - and my jaw hit the floor. Not only were the ammo shelves empty of literally everything (except some insanely-priced turkey loads -- between $48-54 for a box of FIVE rounds!!!!)
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There wasn't a single box of any rifle, rimfire, etc. in the entire store - and much to my surprise - they too have repurposed that precious retail space -
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But when I walked a couple of isles over to the reloading section - I knew we had hit rock-bottom - as there were a few presses and other gear - but not a bottle of powder of any kind to be had - nor bullets or brass. All gone - zero. There were a few boxes of bullets in the muzzleloader section - but no powder there either. Oh - they still have a significant number of firearms for sale...

And from what I hear - Remington has worked their tails off to get the plant back up to full-production, yet raw materials are hard to come by - all chalked up to:::::: COVID. And from what the new company's CEO has said - they have a year and a half worth of production contracted already - which means there is likely that long of a lead time before a noticeable quantity of green boxes are on your local retailer's shelf...

I have actively tried to shoot down conspiracy theories - yet one cannot help but at least ponder - all the attempts a regulation via legislation couldn't stop it. But here we have, in a simple virus, the greatest dream of the political Left - a way to curtail the production and sales of ammunition - rendering a lot of firearms to little more than throwing or club-like objects.
 

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Manufacturers all claim they are making it as fast as they can.

No?
 

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Well written Battman.

I am hopeful that we will bounce back from this seemingly catastrophic shortage, but it will take some time for sure.
 

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No offense, but you are months late to this conversation.
Months late, yet I was still able to find at least a bit of ammo just a couple months back... and one could still order over-priced ammo online. Now even they are out of stock and not taking backorders.

Just a month ago, I still saw some oddball ammo on shelves.. Especially 350 Legend for some reason. And was able to pick up a box of Winchester 30-06 at a Walmart!
 

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Unless I buy another caliber, I’ll never wish for ammo again, but having the disease I have, I’ll buy more
This is not criticism, but it really is a disease. For those of us still pushing conspiracy theories so they will feel less responsible, all you have to do is look at that statement. It’s not some evil conspiracy, it’s us.

Tens of Millions of people are buying everything they see, even at ridiculous prices, more than they will ever need in their lifetime, even ammo for which they have no guns, then brag about how high & deep they are stacking like it’s a good thing. It’s not. It’s like ammo porn.

Its also not victimless. At the rate I shoot ammo sighting in, hunting, & a bit of handgun practice, I’m good for quite a while, especially on any centerfire cartridges I can reload. I already had this so I didn’t raid the shelves on this latest event. It is what I usually keep on hand. BUT I can’t shoot sporting clays. I’d burn through my target loads in a couple of events while dozens, maybe hundreds, of people on this site are setting on cases & cases of this ammo they will never ever use. Lots of people on this site struggled to find basic ammo to go hunting & then were ridiculed for not being psychotic hoarders like it was their fault. It’s not.

Gentlemen, we have met the enemy and he is us.
 

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This is not criticism, but it really is a disease. For those of us still pushing conspiracy theories so they will feel less responsible, all you have to do is look at that statement. It’s not some evil conspiracy, it’s us.

Tens of Millions of people are buying everything they see, even at ridiculous prices, more than they will ever need in their lifetime, even ammo for which they have no guns, then brag about how high & deep they are stacking like it’s a good thing. It’s not. It’s like ammo porn.

Its also not victimless. At the rate I shoot ammo sighting in, hunting, & a bit of handgun practice, I’m good for quite a while, especially on any centerfire cartridges I can reload. I already had this so I didn’t raid the shelves on this latest event. It is what I usually keep on hand. BUT I can’t shoot sporting clays. I’d burn through my target loads in a couple of events while dozens, maybe hundreds, of people on this site are setting on cases & cases of this ammo they will never ever use. Lots of people on this site struggled to find basic ammo to go hunting & then were ridiculed for not being psychotic hoarders like it was their fault. It’s not.

Gentlemen, we have met the enemy and he is us.
Totally get where you are coming from.

There is one caveat though. There are those of us who have bought a box here and there, a case on occasion through the years and now we sit on enough to last us for some time purchased at prices deemed reasonable by most.

I have no issue with that at all. To me, that was good planning.

So I don't judge a man for the amount of ammo he has, but I might judge a little for the manner he went about it.
 

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This is not criticism, but it really is a disease. For those of us still pushing conspiracy theories so they will feel less responsible, all you have to do is look at that statement. It’s not some evil conspiracy, it’s us.

Tens of Millions of people are buying everything they see, even at ridiculous prices, more than they will ever need in their lifetime, even ammo for which they have no guns, then brag about how high & deep they are stacking like it’s a good thing. It’s not. It’s like ammo porn.

Its also not victimless. At the rate I shoot ammo sighting in, hunting, & a bit of handgun practice, I’m good for quite a while, especially on any centerfire cartridges I can reload. I already had this so I didn’t raid the shelves on this latest event. It is what I usually keep on hand. BUT I can’t shoot sporting clays. I’d burn through my target loads in a couple of events while dozens, maybe hundreds, of people on this site are setting on cases & cases of this ammo they will never ever use. Lots of people on this site struggled to find basic ammo to go hunting & then were ridiculed for not being psychotic hoarders like it was their fault. It’s not.

Gentlemen, we have met the enemy and he is us.
The reason I buy is to pass on to my grandsons. I hate to think they’ll use it for plinking but I’m buying it for their pleasure, someone’s pleasure anyway.
I also buy because I do believe there is going to be some significant civil unrest. When savages are burning down cities and blocking major interstates I have a feeling that those who want to be left alone are not going to stay silent, dunno.
 

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Lots of people on this site struggled to find basic ammo to go hunting & then were ridiculed for not being psychotic hoarders like it was their fault. It’s not.
This time last year, just as the planned-demic was getting started, I told people on this forum over and over to get ammo for hunting season. It was sitting on the shelf collecting dust at the sporting goods stores. All you have to do now is to look in the WTB/WTT forum and you can see that a lot of people didn’t heed that info. You didn’t have to buy it by the truck load, a box or 2 every trip to Walmart adds up over a period of time. I feel for them but it’s no ones fault but their own.
 

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This is not criticism, but it really is a disease. For those of us still pushing conspiracy theories so they will feel less responsible, all you have to do is look at that statement. It’s not some evil conspiracy, it’s us.

Tens of Millions of people are buying everything they see, even at ridiculous prices, more than they will ever need in their lifetime, even ammo for which they have no guns, then brag about how high & deep they are stacking like it’s a good thing. It’s not. It’s like ammo porn.

Its also not victimless. At the rate I shoot ammo sighting in, hunting, & a bit of handgun practice, I’m good for quite a while, especially on any centerfire cartridges I can reload. I already had this so I didn’t raid the shelves on this latest event. It is what I usually keep on hand. BUT I can’t shoot sporting clays. I’d burn through my target loads in a couple of events while dozens, maybe hundreds, of people on this site are setting on cases & cases of this ammo they will never ever use. Lots of people on this site struggled to find basic ammo to go hunting & then were ridiculed for not being psychotic hoarders like it was their fault. It’s not.

Gentlemen, we have met the enemy and he is us.
So it’s my fault that I have cases of target loads and can go shoot skeet if I want to but you cant? Get out of here with that Democrat ideology. No sir, it’s YOUR fault that you didn’t have enough foresight to see what was coming and stock up while you could. I love it that others think they get to decide exactly how much ammo someone needs to have in their stock when they have no clue how much they shoot. You can judge me all you want to, call me whatever you want, I really don’t care one single bit. I’ll sleep just fine tonight. Might go shoot some clays first if things warm up enough.
 

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For the last 4 or 5 years I match what I have / want in ammo or gun. I have enough for me to do for my reasonable hunting except for one caliber of a pistol but I can make do with it. I tried to plan ahead better years ago even in my gun buying.
A person can reload and make do. Years ago I knew an old hermit quite well that even reloaded 22 shells. Crap, I even put up 4 dozen arrows.
 

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This time last year, just as the planned-demic was getting started, I told people on this forum over and over to get ammo for hunting season. It was sitting on the shelf collecting dust at the sporting goods stores. All you have to do now is to look in the WTB/WTT forum and you can see that a lot of people didn’t heed that info. You didn’t have to buy it by the truck load, a box or 2 every trip to Walmart adds up over a period of time. I feel for them but it’s no ones fault but their own.
Exactly. Multiple people on here were. If you’re a member of this sight and didn’t see what was coming you either had your head stuck in the sand or don’t listen very well.
 
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