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The Cost of Killing a Duck?

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#1 · (Edited)
As I have listened to the complaints of Ark public land duck hunters for several years now, one can only think the future of duck hunting is bleak for public land hunting.

I am truly amazed at the money being thrown into private land duck hunting. I’m gonna throw a few private duck hunt names out there that have publically shown their operations and I’m astounded by the resources they have committed. Island 34 is one, the owner stated he estimates he can feed up to 10 million birds. When you can pump 80,000 gal a minute and it takes 14 days to get your water you do the math but that’s impressive. 100’s acres of standing corn just to feed birds.

But this is just one operation, there are literally hundreds of other operations doing the same thing on varying scale. Habitat Flats up in Missouri is well known, Whiteoak Duck woods is another. Vast amounts of money to attract and hold vast amounts of ducks.

Now what’s public land WMA in Ark gonna do to compete? You know back 40 years ago the cut Agri fields were the food, private GTR adjacent was the loafing and resting. So when you have large land owners up and down the Mississippi flyway putting that kind of resources in just holding ducks couple with milder temps it’s gonna be hard for a duck to leave that.

But it’s not only that but folks have fine tuned the hunting, they don’t hunt haphazard. They have enough blinds and pits to move around. They can flood one field until it gets eat out then move that water to the next patch of corn. Up north they stagger their fields and when it’s 11 degrees they pump another field up with water at 55 degrees to keep their birds.

It simply blows my mind at the resources thrown toward a duck. The cost alone to plant a hundred acre corn field is crazy, not counting the cost of land and just the level they move water.
 
#4 ·
And more opening up every day. Lost Bridge just opened around Augusta and it’s almost 4000ac of prime habitat. Lodge is finishing up. Tens of million$. There goes Hurricane Lake.
The Black family just sold out of their land around Corning also to a group of private owners. There goes Dave D.
 
#9 ·
And more opening up every day. Lost Bridge just opened around Augusta and it’s almost 4000ac of prime habitat. Lodge is finishing up. Tens of million$. There goes Hurricane Lake.
The Black family just sold out of their land around Corning also to a group of private owners. There goes Dave D.
I heard this , I know a lot of people have hunted that ground , it’s very scattered but I can only imagine the hunters that displaced. Also heard the Lacy Farm south of that sold to part of the Chene guys. Don’t quote me but heard $10,000 an acre. Rumors are rumors but I bet it wasn’t cheap just as the Black woods.
 
#8 ·
I watched a video of Habitat Flats buy a truck load of decoys. Literally a whole load of decoys stacked high. Now if you’ve not priced decoys lately, wow! A dozen decoys depending on manufacturer easy $200. Not counting moving decoys or spinners.
 
#14 ·
Good thing, not all of these big shots that rest a bajillion ducks on their sweet private honey holes also have the power to decrease the habitat on an adjacent WMA "hey GUYS, lets change this beautiful buck brush rest area that holds tons of ducks and is only a few miles from my private place, into a moist soil unit!! what could go wrong??
 
#17 ·
I quit last year have a friend with a private lake in Missouri he lets he hunt drive up out out decoys and don’t fight the crowd . I miss flooded timber but when they quit limiting Ossrs on specific days I quit. I know 2-3 locals that still hunt DD everyone else quit years ago. 1000 boats on it opening day last year . I have had a few decent hunts in Missouri going to a draw but juice ain’t worth the squeeze. You boys enjoy the disco lights sound bars and flat bill crowd can have it
 
#18 ·
I’ve listened to a lot of podcasts that say it’s not the flooded corn or hot crops. One of them being the standard sportsman. I don’t agree with this at all.
If you’ve got thousands of acres planted and managed specifically for ducks, why would they leave?
Animals need food, water and shelter. If you’ve provide them with that, they don’t move much. Just look at mature bucks, they don’t leave core areas if they are provided these 3 things. Ducks fly thousands of miles each year and hold up north of us. There are videos of Missouri, Nebraska and Kansas holding thousands of ducks when the ice is 6” thick. Why don’t they leave? What keeps mallards there so long? The only thing I can see is they have everything they need there. Food, water and shelter
 
#20 ·
You know I agree with the @APBT for sure and have compared them to mature deer. I agree with you Ark, but here’s the deal by the time ducks get to me it’s usually last 30 days if not last two weeks depending on water and just like fishing you better throw everything you got to pull a duck your way. A statewide ban here would kill us by the time what ducks get here. Because other states sure ain’t banning spinners. On the feeding especially corn , though I think it kills the overall areas , ducks can stay in one spot probably most of season instead of bouncing around the area and everyone gets a shot. But it might help that hen stay healthy going into breeding. But it stinks as a hunter. Looking at Whiteoak , Island 34, Elbow Slough and many others , they have accumulated enough acreage, provided the food, provided the rest areas and I tip my hat to them. I’d do same exact thing if I could. I don’t envy those operations I actually admire and scratch my head at how much money can be spent on a duck. If I had @K-Mo pocket change I’d go to work on building a large slice of heaven in those regards but I’m not complaining and feel very blessed to do what I already do. But there’s a huge vast difference in Ark duck hunting that I wasn’t really fully aware of so much and that’s the super wealthy hunters and public land or lease hunters. I guess I just took duck hunting for grant it being raised smack in the middle of it. When you walk out your $500,000 cabin, to the boat house and slip in your boat to travel 400 yards and kill a limit in your timber hole , those folks ain’t crying about mud motors draw system, price of shells or anything about disrupting their hunt.
 
#23 ·
Geez it’s an easy answer for our WMAs,there is no private ground in the state that can compete with our public woods to hold ducks,no matter how much money they throw at a place!HURRICANE has 16000 acres in one hunk that that would make all the private land scream if the pressure would get managed just like the private land does.Ive decided it’s a conspiracy to keep our public GTRs in turmoil to aid the private sector.The AGFC could have purchased both of the big blocks that recently sold on the west side of Hurricane,one of which actually joined the refuge.A commissioner from NWA purchased a 160 acre tract with a cypress hole on it that is connected to the big lost bridge tract for 8k an acre.Since that time he’s spent several thousands already on it,even bought out the CRP contract on it,so he could do as he wishes.All of this is directly across the river from the Farmer guy who has spent millions on the WHITE OAK venture.Every bit of all those places were marginal in the 80s and early 90s when they were free range.Ive romped on all of it when none cared and you could whack a pile of ducks because there were very hunters and always big rafts of ducks somewhere unmolested.It was mostly all fields with lotsa groceries on it.At the same time Hurricane was the same way and there were ALWAYS UNMOLESTED rafts of ducks scattered in the woods.So many Xs so few hunters.Now look what has happened refuge overcrowded EVERYDAY,private marginal ground holding the ducks that would love to be over there in that 16000 acre block of the BEST WOODS HABITAT in the area.GEEZ IT AINT ROCKET SCIENCE.Controlthe pressure get the ducks back on public and the private land adjoining would be in the same pickle our public is,with the exception of all them dollars spent.Sadly the money thing is deep and no one wants it to dry up from the farmers leasing/selling ground for crazy money to the local economy in general,to the public land woes the AGFC controls.SACRICES will have to be made at expense of the public to ever return the quality of the public woods anyone over 50 remembers.IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!Public will continue to be flight day thrillers for those that claim to be hard core and believe nothings wrong with how it is.
 
#28 ·
Two years ago there was a group of DD hunters that made an organized push to voice complaints to AGFC. I set back and watched from afar so I don’t know all the details but I know they had a public meeting, I think a few of the guys leading knew there was a few things that could help and still fall within their 3 year water rotation plan. I’d read some of the feedback from hunters to these guys leading and it just seemed a majority wanted to just *****! No solutions just gripe and complain. Then all the conspiracy theories, this commissioner that commissioner wants the ducks on his land etc. I did see one thing they found out and that was the beaver trapping contract to me IMO was off the wall crazy what they spent. But point being , these WMA’s which used to be the holding place are now not and pressure is the factor , and private has truly stepped their game up 1000% on food and rest areas. That’s why we are seeing these season counts high or normal but kills down.
 
#27 ·
All these issues disappear if the river gets up……. Shame we can’t hold back water in the lakes up north and send it down in duck season where a moderate rain will bump us into minor flood stage and make room for the coming spring flood water. Sounds easy but I’m only a hydrologist in the winter months……
 
#30 ·
Fact #1 - the commissioners / other private landowners are flooding their woods in October. Prior to duck season opening.

Fact #2 - the Agfc is not flooding the public woods til much later in duck season. And when they do finally put in the boards (which used to be in by October 15th) they have them set to not flood as much ground.

Fact #3 - the agfc rest areas are mismanaged gravely when compared to private rest areas.

Fact #4 - the public woods are flooded all spring and half of summer annually. Which is aweful for tree health. Which makes delayed fall flooding a moot point until infrastructure and downstream issues are worked out.

Fact #5 - non resident duck hunters outnumber residents in this state.

fact #6 - like in all things. Money rules the day.
 
#32 ·
Fact #1 - the commissioners / other private landowners are flooding their woods in October. Prior to duck season opening.

Fact #2 - the Agfc is not flooding the public woods til much later in duck season. And when they do finally put in the boards (which used to be in by October 15th) they have them set to not flood as much ground.

Fact #3 - the agfc rest areas are mismanaged gravely when compared to private rest areas.

Fact #4 - the public woods are flooded all spring and half of summer annually. Which is aweful for tree health. Which makes delayed fall flooding a moot point until infrastructure and downstream issues are worked out.

Fact #5 - non resident duck hunters outnumber residents in this state.

fact #6 - like in all things. Money rules the day.
Let me add this and I’m not gonna say everyone but it’s a vast majority.
Public land hunters don’t care about giving back to the land , they just want to take. I’ve seen it time and time again, a few kill it for everyone! But in this case a vast majority is killing it for a few that care about the woods. I wish a draw was this year. It’s way over due and I don’t hunt public just because this majority has and will continue to ruin it for all. Never would I take a child in DD, Big Lake, Bayou Meto, Wattensaw, Rainy Brake . 50 guys in a hole is ridiculous. Unsafe and miserable. AGFC can rein this back in, and I hope it’s soon.