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Is it a waste of time to plant a dove field with a real high deer density… i figured the deer will wipe them out , i was going to plant about 5 acres and a few acres of milo just incase they wipe them out, even thought about broadcasting milo where im going to row plant sunflowers and if the deer take them out i can salvage a milo plot and if the sunflowers look good i can hit the milo with select…

i have even heard people broadcasting sunflowers at 2x rate just knowing that you will loose half a stand

anyone with experience with deer and dove fields??
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I’ve never planted that much acreage, but they wipe mine out just after they come up.
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Is it a waste of time to plant a dove field with a real high deer density… i figured the deer will wipe them out , i was going to plant about 5 acres and a few acres of milo just incase they wipe them out, even thought about broadcasting milo where im going to row plant sunflowers and if the deer take them out i can salvage a milo plot and if the sunflowers look good i can hit the milo with select…

i have even heard people broadcasting sunflowers at 2x rate just knowing that you will loose half a stand

anyone with experience with deer and dove fields??
They won’t make it long. Stick with the milo
What state are you in? According to some on this forum, we just dont have high deer densities in Arkansas. :cool:

i used to plant ten aces of sunflowers in two five acre plots - and they did great. After about three years of that, the deer nipped the tops out of every one of them when they got about six inches tall. I fought that for a couple years and gave up. I sure wouldnt plant a mix of flowers and milo because you wont be able to spray either one of them without killing the other. Doves like clean ground.

I have planted food plots for doves for forty years now. I will quantify this by saying I have lived in no row crop areas - for the most part. I plant a field of wheat in the fall and a field of millet in the spring. The wheat I keep sprayed after it matures in the summer and the doves will feed in it early and mid summer and then switch to the millet when it matures mid summer on. August 15, I top sow wheat on the now bare and clean wheat field. 200 lbs per acre. The doves will either be there or they wont and nothing I can do will make them stay. I always have a ton of doves late July early August - like this past year. We didnt have a dove come opening day - with five acres of ripe millet and 1000 lbs of wheat seed on bare ground. Not a one. And we could have melted our gun barrels Aug 1.

I know some guys who plant ten acres flowers and have a five acre field they keep bare ground all winter, spring, and summer. They spread 50 to 100 lbs black oil sunflower seeds every other week from mid winter to early august. They till it under before the 15th of Aug and then spread 1000 lbs of wheat 15th of aug - and that is along with the ten acres of planted, manicured, fertilized, sprayed, clearfield sunflowers. The doves in late July look like what I have seen in Mexico. There are about 20 guys who hunt it. Last year, the killed 44, the year before, 300, the year before that - 22.

Doves have a mind of their own. In non ag areas - where doves are not attracted in numbers to begin with, I dont know of anything - legal or illegal that will guarantee a good shoot. I poured out an old bag of browntop millet last week and there are commonly 40 doves there. They have about eaten it all. I can have five acres of browntop millet producing over 500 lbs seed per acre come Sept -, with 1000 lbs wheat seed on bare ground - and not have a dove. But, we also might have a shoot like in Argentina.

Point being, I wouldnt get too fancy. Dove regs in AR allow for top sowing wheat. That is as easy as it gets. They will either be there or they wont - and it is not a reflection of your time, effort, and money.
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Use electric fence
Efencing for deer, especially without 120 electricity, can be really expensive. My buddies with the ten acres of flowers do it. It does insure a beautiful stand of sunflowers. It doesnt ensure doves will be there come September.
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Efencing for deer, especially without 120 electricity, can be really expensive. My buddies with the ten acres of flowers do it. It does insure a beautiful stand of sunflowers. It doesnt ensure doves will be there come September.
He wasn’t asking how to ensure doves - just how to keep the deer off of them.
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He wasn’t asking how to ensure doves - just how to keep the deer off of them.
That is a fact. Efence the sunflowers for a pretty looking field.
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efence has crossed my mind more than once, i may just plant them and if they get mowed down ill keep it sprayed and top sew wheat
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and i was leaning towards clearfield till they priced me them at $270 for 25lbs…..
and i was leaning towards clearfield till they priced me them at $270 for 25lbs…..
Price the chemical to spray them
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Flowers arent as expensive as corn - but they are pretty dang high. To do it right, Pre plant burn down. Pre emergent. One, if not two post emergent sprayings. 75 lbs N per acre when they are knee high (4 bags 32-0-0 per acre).
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In my experience, 100% waste of time(sunflowers without electric fence)
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It is possible that a high deer density could wipe out a dove field, but there are measures that can be taken to mitigate this. Planting a mix of sunflowers and milo, as you suggested, can be a good strategy to provide some fallback options for the birds if the sunflowers are consumed by the deer. It's also a good idea to consider putting up deer fencing or using other methods to deter deer from entering the dove field. Additionally, regularly mowing the perimeter of the field can help discourage deer from entering. Overall, with some careful planning and management, it is possible to create a successful dove field in an area with a high deer density.
What division of the AGFC do you work for?
Can someone define high deer density for me?
Can someone define high deer density for me?
6. I had six does one year completely annihilate a 2 acre sunflower field. I grew great flowers for several years - and then it was like one year the deer just figured out they liked them. I have had some good shoots on flowers - and absolutely nothing on flowers. Planting clearfield, spraying with approved chemicals, fertilizing, and efencing would cost a ton of money - and at my place - would not insure a single dove opening day. I am sure in some areas of the state, where there is ag and lots of doves anyway - it is a pretty safe bet.

I now grow millet and top sow wheat. Much less expensive and less time consuming. The best shoot I have ever had was on this combination. But I have also had none on this combination.

Back when I used to grow them - they sure did make a pretty field.

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6. I had six does one year completely annihilate a 2 acre sunflower field. I grew great flowers for several years - and then it was like one year the deer just figured out they liked them. I have had some good shoots on flowers - and absolutely nothing on flowers. Planting clearfield, spraying with approved chemicals, fertilizing, and efencing would cost a ton of money - and at my place - would not insure a single dove opening day. I am sure in some areas of the state, where there is ag and lots of doves anyway - it is a pretty safe bet.

I now grow millet and top sow wheat. Much less expensive and less time consuming. The best shoot I have ever had was on this combination. But I have also had none on this combination.

Back when I used to grow them - they sure did make a pretty field.

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Lol, that’s about what i figured the number would be.

Knock on wood, I have not had deer mess with mine. I see deer tracks in them occasionally, but I think my field is just located in a spot that is not conducive to them just camping out and grazing all evening/night.

I tried a new mix last year when I couldn’t get my sunflowers to germinate on the first planting. It had sunflowers, millet, and milo. Didn’t get much germination on any of the three so can’t yet compare it to a straight sunflower stand on luring/holding doves.

Going to try a new mix this year that has 16 different seeds in it. Not sold on that large of a variety yet, but we will see.
Lol, that’s about what i figured the number would be.

Knock on wood, I have not had deer mess with mine. I see deer tracks in them occasionally, but I think my field is just located in a spot that is not conducive to them just camping out and grazing all evening/night.

I tried a new mix last year when I couldn’t get my sunflowers to germinate on the first planting. It had sunflowers, millet, and milo. Didn’t get much germination on any of the three so can’t yet compare it to a straight sunflower stand on luring/holding doves.

Going to try a new mix this year that has 16 different seeds in it. Not sold on that large of a variety yet, but we will see.
I have always had sunflowers do much better - not counting deer eating them - when they were in a stand by themselves. It is importantant, to grow those great big heads, not to overstock the stand or crowd them. To a sunflower, milo and millet are weeds that rob nutrients from the sunflowers. In addition, mixed stands of flowers and grasses completely remove any chance to use chemicals to reduce weed competition.
Is it a waste of time to plant a dove field with a real high deer density… i figured the deer will wipe them out , i was going to plant about 5 acres and a few acres of milo just incase they wipe them out, even thought about broadcasting milo where im going to row plant sunflowers and if the deer take them out i can salvage a milo plot and if the sunflowers look good i can hit the milo with select…

i have even heard people broadcasting sunflowers at 2x rate just knowing that you will loose half a stand

anyone with experience with deer and dove fields??
U can plant buckwheat. It’s not that expensive and u can spray it with a select herbicide to keep the grass out. Stratton seed makes a blend, believe it’s ancestry that’s a mix of milo, sunflowers, soy beans, buckwheat, cowpeas and something else in it that u could plant. Only problem with it is. Once it comes up. Can’t spray it with anything to keep the grass down
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When I used to make a field I planted the sunflowers in strips, leaving enough room in between to run a disc, keeping the dirt bare.

I would brush hog alternating strips before and throughout the season and kept birds all the time.

I was fortunate that deer weren’t a problem where I put my field.
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