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I just got done reading The Book of the Wild Turkey by Lovett Williams. I think it published in 1981. Somewhere in there he stated that releasing turkeys into habitat that already has wild turkeys never works. The issues that are suppressing the current population will suppress the planted birds.

Additionally, he mentions that pen raised turkeys can never work because wild turkeys cannot survive long term in captivity, and pen raised turkeys cannot survive in the wild. It only feeds wildcats, and spreads fowl diseases.

Jackie, admit it... You're just trying to get some dumber turkeys in state to make it easier for you to kill one.
 

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This might be considered thread drift, but Texas has seen some success with “super stocking” - they call them - after years of no stocking success with conventional numbers. Most states stock a dozen or fifteen, wild birds, with a two to one hen to gobbler ratio. That has not worked in eastern Texas. They switched to the super stockings - eighty or so, wild turkeys, stocked in one area. I forget the composition ratios - but they claim to be having more success with that type stocking than the conventional stockings of the lesser numbers. Wild caught, relocated turkeys.
 

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Wild captured Easterns transplanted would be the only option, but don’t see how that would even be remotely successful long term if you don’t address the habitat and predator issues. Kind of the same concept as relying on hunting season structures and regulations alone…. Might play a small role, but doesn’t produce more poults being born or reaching adulthood for population growth.
 

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Wyoming, Nebraska Florida, Wisconsin Minnesota have all done it... Kansas has done it with Success..
Wouldn't be easy...
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I think the real solution is to trade for turkeys from urban areas in the Northeast.

The problem with Arkansas turkeys is that they only exist in relatively wild areas, and the citizenry of these areas tends to lean toward shooting those turkeys out the window of their trailer any time the opportunity arises. It's well proven that this is the real limiting factor in Arkansas because you can drive across the state on I40, and most likely your census will include about 0-1 turkey sightings. Drive across the length of Missouri and Kentucky, and you'll see 10x more. Not only do we have less turkeys, the remaining ones dont regularly loiter in open areas in view of roads.

Meanwile, mail carriers in New Jersey, New York, and eastern Pennsylvania are routinely accosted by wild gobblers that have set up shop in the suburbs, even in inner cities. We trade for those turkeys, stock them in downtown Little Rock, Bentonville, Jonesboro... you name it. Anywhere with a good enough police force to keep Uncle Jackie from shooting up the city park because he saw a gobbler standing next to the swing set. Now you've converted all the major metropolitan areas in the state to a turkey production mill. Eventually some of those birds will wander out and populate wilder locales where we can effectively hunt them.
 

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You obviously haven't done your homework. This has been attempted and it doesn't work. It works slightly with quail, but not all with turkeys or pheasants. If it did, every state would do it.
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I think the real solution is to trade for turkeys from urban areas in the Northeast.

The problem with Arkansas turkeys is that they only exist in relatively wild areas, and the citizenry of these areas tends to lean toward shooting those turkeys out the window of their trailer any time the opportunity arises. It's well proven that this is the real limiting factor in Arkansas because you can drive across the state on I40, and most likely your census will include about 0-1 turkey sightings. Drive across the length of Missouri and Kentucky, and you'll see 10x more. Not only do we have less turkeys, the remaining ones dont regularly loiter in open areas in view of roads.

Meanwile, mail carriers in New Jersey, New York, and eastern Pennsylvania are routinely accosted by wild gobblers that have set up shop in the suburbs, even in inner cities. We trade for those turkeys, stock them in downtown Little Rock, Bentonville, Jonesboro... you name it. Anywhere with a good enough police force to keep Uncle Jackie from shooting up the city park because he saw a gobbler standing next to the swing set. Now you've converted all the major metropolitan areas in the state to a turkey production mill. Eventually some of those birds will wander out and populate wilder locales where we can effectively hunt them.
Awomen..Now we're talking..
Fairfield bay is full of Turkeys nusances...Full Why? Can't hunt them...Bird Sanctuary!!!!
 

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This might be considered thread drift, but Texas has seen some success with “super stocking” - they call them - after years of no stocking success with conventional numbers. Most states stock a dozen or fifteen, wild birds, with a two to one hen to gobbler ratio. That has not worked in eastern Texas. They switched to the super stockings - eighty or so, wild turkeys, stocked in one area. I forget the composition ratios - but they claim to be having more success with that type stocking than the conventional stockings of the lesser numbers. Wild caught, relocated turkeys.
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This might be considered thread drift, but Texas has seen some success with “super stocking” - they call them - after years of no stocking success with conventional numbers. Most states stock a dozen or fifteen, wild birds, with a two to one hen to gobbler ratio. That has not worked in eastern Texas. They switched to the super stockings - eighty or so, wild turkeys, stocked in one area. I forget the composition ratios - but they claim to be having more success with that type stocking than the conventional stockings of the lesser numbers. Wild caught, relocated turkeys.
Interesting. I could see where this makes sense, simply from a mathematical standpoint with more carryover. The problem these days is from what area do you rob Peter to pay Paul? Unless I guess from willing private landowners? Are they restocking East TX with Rios or Easterns? Most of East TX is similar in terrain and timber to SW AR.
 

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Interesting. I could see where this makes sense, simply from a mathematical standpoint with more carryover. The problem these days is from what area do you rob Peter to pay Paul? Unless I guess from willing private landowners? Are they restocking East TX with Rios or Easterns? Most of East TX is similar in terrain and timber to SW AR.
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my Dad literally has a live trap out 364 days a year on 42 acres

for several years, there has been a steady stream of possums, ***** and skunks - never ending

he's killed dozens and dozens if not hundreds

and they never stop

there are THAT many varmints in the woods eating turkey eggs and chicks



Dad is 86. He remembers bounties on crow beaks, owl and hawk beaks, coyotes and foxes. He said after a snow, you couldn't track a rabbit because there were so many tracks. Quail abounded. Of course few deer/turkeys because people were stupid about killing them out but if we returned to 1/4 or 1/2 the bounties/varmint reductions imagine the boom to small game in Arkansas and .... turkeys too
 
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