The boy graduated to a 20 gauge yesterday after asking about a better option than 410 for ducks. I told him he could try 20 gauge if he wanted but I didn't think he'd like the recoil. The only youth 20 I have is my first gun I bought at 9 years old, 21 years ago at Max Blues General Store in Burnsville, NC. He shot it yesterday at some pumpkins and clays and said it was great and asked if Id pass it down to him. He took 3 wood duck drakes today with it with 3 shells. I had to hold back tears of pride and from all the memories I made with that little shotgun and the thought of all the new ones he will make with it. Proud as I could be, and hoping now he'll want to try upland birds maybe.