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Where are these thousands of birds coming rom for transplant or relocation?

Captive hatched birds don't survive. It's been tried and proven not to work multiple times.
It would take some serious negotiations and cooperation between state agencies but there are lots of cities that have ordinances against hunting that have good populations of turkeys. It is possible with persuasion that those could be trapped and relocated. But it would take initiative and funding
 

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The same one’s catching coons now for nothing would be the only ones collecting the $10 bounty IMO. Most people are too lazy or lack ambition to go and try to rid the forest of nest raiders for $10 a piece. And you ain’t gonna price anyone out of turkey hunting at $50 dollar license fees. That would just advocate less legal turkey hunters.
I don’t trap now, but I would start for $10/coon.
 

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Turkeys have been trapped and relocated successfully. Idk where to get em now - northeastern USA maybe?
Establish a relatively safe breeding area and utilize it as a hatchery?

It may not work very well so I guess we shouldn’t try. I guess we just do nothin but talk about a trapping bounty that’s never gonna be implemented. That’s proven very successful.
 

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There ain’t been any layin hens in my area for couple years.

Kill every coon and bobcat you can, heck kill them off extinct - but that still won’t produce a turkey.

Need a few hens to help make more….

Gotta get em from somewhere.

We are to that point. Desperate measures. Killing raiders sustainably and expecting our turkey population to come back on its own is doomed to failure imo.
 

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Why isn’t AGFC trying to relocate or transplant or hatch turkeys by the thousands every year at this point?

After a short time the population would likely be able to sustain itself until the next few years of bad weather luck
Like mentioned above, where is one going to get wild birds to transplant? This is not an Arkansas deal, it's an everywhere deal now. Strongly doubt anyone would be willing to let someone come into an area & trap for relocation what they are seeing go down in numbers they have. And it's just not Eastern's , it's Rio's, it's Merriam's, it's Osceola's, heck even the Gould's in Mexico are starting to have trouble.

Oklahoma is having a rash of folks trying, not trying but doing, raising pen raised birds (some are using wild caught birds but many are using a domestic type that looks like a wild Rio and passing it off as such) to try to keep one of the major things that has driven their turkey population into the ground, (drastic overharvest) to keep the money train flowing into their areas! Many, who for all intents and purposes raped the resources they once had in vast amounts for a $$$$$$ now are hatching birds, raising them, doing a put & place right before they have hunters coming in, then selling them to folks. Hunting forums are full of folks advertising $700,1 bird (their new state allowed bag limit) 100% success rate hunts out there and the responses to them are staggering, 100's upon 100's of folks asking for info & details. May be, or might not be shocking, a vast amount of the responses they are getting are from younger Arkansas's. That to me is a good indicator as to how much pressure there might be at home here in Arkansas on our resident population if there is such an interest in someone being willing to pay $700 for a 1 bird hunt, then buy license and tag, another $175, then gas, food & lodging to boot. Do the quick math here, easy $1200 for 1 bird!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Their DNR is about to have a stroke about it being done and are 100 & 10% apposed to this, both from an ethics issue (folks selling tame birds for wild) but also from an ecological impact to remaining resident flocks. They done come down on several already out there, shutting them down on at least the being able to have sellable turkeys using USDA reg's in place now, They are not able to shut them down, but they are making them clip their wings, remove their beards & de-spur them if they are domestic. If found to be wild strain birds, the DNR is taking them. But as I type working on some pretty severe fines and penalties for those doing such on their side to try to stop it. .
 

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I just got back from a Mississippi public land trip. I went solo on a quick two day hunt and the weather wasn’t ideal at all but the lack of turkey sign was troubling. The only two birds I actually got excited about and could half way work, we’re on private ground. I heard two other birds way… way off and they only gobbled one time each on the limb. Btw, I’ve never seen a public area so trashed up by people. Every pullover spot was a dumping ground basically.
 

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My new motto:
Don’t take a kid hunting!
Mine is to take a kid hunting, BUT teach him/her to keep their mouth shut, as it should be. Learn to respect it enough that it’s not about views, likes, or shares.

My son (16 at the time) asked me to tell him where I’d been hearing and hunting some turkeys, so he could take his friend. I said “nah, I’ll tell you where I know some turkeys are but it won’t be there”. Some say selfish, I say not. I told him that’s something you have to be guarded with. I had and would take him as much as he wants, but him taking friends is a different story. I’ve repeatedly told my boys….. put in the work, don’t ask others, and loose lips sink ships. We need more of that in my opinion.
 

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Another thing I hear a lot of the older hunters talk about is coon hunting. I’ve never been coon hunting and I don’t know anyone who actively does it anymore; but that would have an impact on nest predators as well.
 

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Mine is to take a kid hunting, BUT teach him/her to keep their mouth shut, as it should be. Learn to respect it enough that it’s not about views, likes, or shares.

My son (16 at the time) asked me to tell him where I’d been hearing and hunting some turkeys, so he could take his friend. I said “nah, I’ll tell you where I know some turkeys are but it won’t be there”. Some say selfish, I say not. I told him that’s something you have to be guarded with. I had and would take him as much as he wants, but him taking friends is a different story. I’ve repeatedly told my boys….. put in the work, don’t ask others, and loose lips sink ships. We need more of that in my opinion.
My son and I heard a turkey gobble a few days ago on a scouting trip... his momma asked if he heard any birds where we were at. He said "Nope". Then proceeded to tell me that he didn't know if he could trust her with that info... we fixing to have a pot luck at church and didn't want her getting loose lipped about info!

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My son and I heard a turkey gobble a few days ago on a scouting trip... his momma asked if he heard any birds where we were at. He said "Nope". Then proceeded to tell me that he didn't know if he could trust her with that info... we fixing to have a pot luck at church and didn't want her getting loose lipped about info!

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Smart kid and sounds like you are raising him right. Keep up the good work!!! It’s like the game within the game. From the outside looking in, a church potluck seems innocent enough, but juicy turkey gossip will run rampant and before you know it you are face to face with the preacher asking too many turkey related questions.

I believe in “it’s not lying” if it’s about turkeys and if you ask questions, you likely won’t get the full truth, if any. Social media and the internet has turned this all on its head at a level that is difficult to comprehend. I would consider myself unselfish in helping others with turkey hunting, but it’s on my terms, based on who it is, what effort they are personally willing to put into it, and how trustworthy they are. It’s like a credit card application, my approval rating is lower than some and definitely more strict than it was years ago.
 
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