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Reggie was riding around Bayou Meto today doing some post-season scouting and noticed that there seemed to be about twice as much water on the timber as there was in January.

He talked to some of his friends who indicated that the AG&FC had replaced the boards in the southernmost levee after duck season had closed and had not removed them.

Now Reggie didn't ride that far, so he can't confirm or deny such an allegation. Does anyone know if this is true?
 

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Reggie was riding around Bayou Meto today doing some post-season scouting and noticed that there seemed to be about twice as much water on the timber as there was in January.

He talked to some of his friends who indicated that the AG&FC had replaced the boards in the southernmost levee after duck season had closed and had not removed them.

Now Reggie didn't ride that far, so he can't confirm or deny such an allegation. Does anyone know if this is true?
Yes Reggie, the boards were left in for those of us chosen to participate in the 4th split!!!! :poke:
 

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I thought Rainey Brake had the only Feb Hunt!!!!

The first 6 or 8 mornings in Feb were great, no sky busting and no crazy hail callers. I thought the 10 bird limit was pretty cool too :biggrin:



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Yes they did!!! The reason I heard and it was a very good source said they wanted to take pictures. What the hell!!!!!:censored: I thought that they were trying to save the trees?? My :censored: They just dont want you to kill ducks. To many big wigs with land around the metro and they thought that it was hurting them. Just like zone 17!!!!
 

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The first 6 or 8 mornings in Feb were great, no sky busting and no crazy hail callers. I thought the 10 bird limit was pretty cool too :biggrin:



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thats what I said:thumb:

that's what is wrong Hurricane lake is supposed to pull the locks at the river the day AFTER duck season closes and there's more water there now than there was ALL of duck season but I can and should open them myself as the duck hunters seem to be able to close them when they want .....the first of september:thumb:
 

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Rocketman, I don't even know how to start commenting on your post.

Just so that I'm not confused I want to make sure that I understand what your saying....

"Big Wigs" who own land around Bayou Meto (which means George Dunklin and company) don't want you to kill ducks because it hurts their duck hunting. So these "Big Wigs" influence the AGFC to release the water during duck season so that people like you can't kill any ducks. Once duck season is over and the "Big Wigs" are through shooting millions and millions of ducks they give the AGFC the go ahead to put the boards back in so that the "common man" is intentionally screwed. Oh yeah, and to take pictures apparently as per your very good source.

Really? Are you serious?
Help me out if I missed anything.

First Sheffield made all the rules for Zone 17 so that it benefited him, and now George Dunklin's trying to take our duck hunting away so that he can kill more ducks than us. What are we going to do?
 

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Rocketman, I don't even know how to start commenting on your post.

Just so that I'm not confused I want to make sure that I understand what your saying....

"Big Wigs" who own land around Bayou Meto (which means George Dunklin and company) don't want you to kill ducks because it hurts their duck hunting. So these "Big Wigs" influence the AGFC to release the water during duck season so that people like you can't kill any ducks. Once duck season is over and the "Big Wigs" are through shooting millions and millions of ducks they give the AGFC the go ahead to put the boards back in so that the "common man" is intentionally screwed. Oh yeah, and to take pictures apparently as per your very good source.

Really? Are you serious?
Help me out if I missed anything.

First Sheffield made all the rules for Zone 17 so that it benefited him, and now George Dunklin's trying to take our duck hunting away so that he can kill more ducks than us. What are we going to do?

Rocketman said:
Yes they did!!! The reason I heard and it was a very good source said!!!!!


I will have to second your post SusieKiller! I think some need to find better sources for their info! This deal has gotten so far out into left field it is un-real! Folk's, the G&F does have some issues with water control that needs to be addressed on some of the WMA's like leaking levies & control structures that did cause a lose of some water they had caught but has some people forgotten that it didn't rain a drop for a month???? A month without any water from rainfall or run off but yet some cannot seem to understand why the water dropped! Under normal conditions you lose at least an inch a day just due to evaporation, not counting water soaking into the ground. An inch a day of lost water without any new water to refreash the lose amounts to over a 2 foot drop in less than a month, we went that long without any new water! Losing 2 foot of water in flat bottom land is alot of area that goes dry! The lack of rainfall is the very reason why some WMA's didn't have the Max water they could have had but yet they still retained some of the water they did capture to season's end & it also happens to be very same reason some WMA's had the banner year they had, they had the only water in the area's! Alot of the fields that would normally have water in them late season had dried up? The riverbottoms never made it out of their banks all season hardly! Why??? No rainfall!!!! With NO water in the bottoms & with the people leasing the fields leaving them dried up that didn't want to spend the $$$'s on it took to run the pumps with the $3.00 fuel, the duck moved to places there was still water.
 

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4hunting, i will have to say that during the last week of the season, an area i hunted in metro on wednesday was not huntable on saturday - something doesn't add up there - gates were open: wasn't for lack of rain.

if the gates are back in now and that's why all the water reggie saw was there, well, then i just don't understand that: especially with all this tree saving talk.
 

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Dont believe that water that was about thigh deep Thursday morning should be dry buy Sunday. That does not equal one inch per day, rain or no rain. Take my post as You want. I dont care!!! There is no reason that the water should have fell out of that place that quick. If it was an early draw down to save the trees then thats fine. You tell me why they put boards back in. As far as the pictures go they were wanting to take aerial photos. They never put the boards back in after the emergency de-watering.
 

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The best part about the 4th season is that you can travel light. There is no need to for large decoy spreads because there are not as many people to compete with.
 

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Rocketman, I don't even know how to start commenting on your post.

Just so that I'm not confused I want to make sure that I understand what your saying....

"Big Wigs" who own land around Bayou Meto (which means George Dunklin and company) don't want you to kill ducks because it hurts their duck hunting. So these "Big Wigs" influence the AGFC to release the water during duck season so that people like you can't kill any ducks. Once duck season is over and the "Big Wigs" are through shooting millions and millions of ducks they give the AGFC the go ahead to put the boards back in so that the "common man" is intentionally screwed. Oh yeah, and to take pictures apparently as per your very good source.

Really? Are you serious?
Help me out if I missed anything.

First Sheffield made all the rules for Zone 17 so that it benefited him, and now George Dunklin's trying to take our duck hunting away so that he can kill more ducks than us. What are we going to do?
Actually the metro was drawn down twice this year. Once because a farmer had not gotten his crop out and did not want to loose it. And second for the emergency de-watering in order to protect the trees. Now if they put the boards back in, which I do not know for fact if they did, then that is :bs: !!! There is however more political pull than people realize when it comes to duck hunting.
 

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George Dunklin is a board member with the AGFC. Most of his land benefits from de watering in 2 ways. 1.. the water that bayou meto releases, he can capture. free water for him. 2. when there is less huntable acres in BM, thats equals less floodable areas for ducks to be hunted and rest. So the duck will move around and find new areas with less pressure sush as his private flooded timber.De-watering BM is a "win win" for him and other surounding BM land owners". I can tell you I found a spot in BM, that I could get away from the "yabs", until the water disappered. Then you go to the 3rd cut and you can only motor 75 yards and you have to wade, before hand you could motor that whole area.

P.S. In case your wondering..BM = Bayou Meto
 

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did anyone think that they put the boards back in to test the leves sience they had such a tough year with breaking leves and broken boards? So maybe this won't happen next year.
 

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I didn't realize George Dunklin had such a personal grudge against all the little wig hunters. I think you take yourself a little too serious if you think he is after your ducks and your duck hunting land. He and his family have done more and will continue to do more for duck hunting in AR and the MS flyway than many of the people who buy AR stamps. His operation and personal land is outstanding, and I'm sure that he is not in need of draining Bayou Meto to get waterfowl on his places. Last I checked, his operations where self sufficient. Sounds like some people just want to blame somebody else for their lack of hunting success. Learn to call, learn to hunt, learn to take responsibility.
 

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Thank you Citybuck for clarifying that.

Drakemaster your post unfortunately is just another example of people assuming one thing because they heard it through the grapevine.

Let me break down the 5-Oaks routine for you so you will know in the future how George Dunklin does it. I know George personally, know his family, have hunted many times at 5-Oaks. Jody Pagan his Chief Waterfowl Biologist is one of my best friends, and oversees the management of the entire farm. What Jody says goes.

George personally hunts his woods in Reydell or the Hardly Able club that he and Dr. John Lytle own just a little North of the Wrape Plantation. Unless he is out of town or on an invite somewhere else he is at one of those 2 spots. When you are a client at 5-Oaks you do not hunt these 2 places. These are for George and his guests only. These properties are in no way effected by the water in or out of BM WMA.

When you drive by the 5-Oaks lodge the majority of that ground you can see is rest area it is never hunted. Lots of the ground to the south is deer hunting ground. There at the lodge there are 2 180 acre GTR tracts that are "Lodge" or tracts. They are only hunted when the ducks are in the woods not because a client wants to hunt them.

The majority of the hunting that takes place at 5-Oaks when you are a client will be done on the Humphrey Farm or the Monsanto Farm. The Humphrey Farm is located North of Humphrey and the Monsanto Farm located just off of Hwy 13 to the North. These farms are all moist soil fields and the hunting is done on pits. These farms are in no way effected by the amount of water in BM WMA or the amount of water in the actual Big Bayou. I am assuming you do know that the actual Big Bayou Meto has nothing to do with the flooding of the WMA Bayou Meto otherwise known as the "Scatters" to some. The Scatters are flooded by Wabbaseka Bayou and Little Bayou primarily. Salt Bayou and Hurricane contribute some as well, but the Big Bayou Meto has nothing to do with the actual flooding. If you really did not know that then dismiss the rest of this post and I will dismiss yours.

Back to the subject. You cannot "book" a hunt at 5-Oaks you are asked to come. Clients are mostly coorporations George has developed a relationship with and they generally book a few days couple of times a season to come. 12 folks at a time clients that is (his sister Deborah is half owner of 5-Oaks and she lives in Memphis, so from time to time there is family hunting down there. The Family Lodge is to the left of the 5-Oaks Lodge, but I am sure you knew that since you are familiar with how he does his operation the family members get what the clients are not hunting I might add) are all that ever hunt at 5-Oaks well for the most part. Four groups of 3 plus a guide and You cannot pick up the phone and make a reservation at 5-Oaks.

The lodge did pick up the Benson Lake Tract this year. It has for the last 10 years been in a lease, but the lease was up and George decided not to renew it because the rotation for water on those woods is meant to be dry for a few years. They also absorbed the farm to the west of the 5-Oaks nursery on Hwy 11. Where I might add George has deticated his 5-Oaks Wildlife Services to growing and replanting hardwood trees all accross the Grand Prairie.

So if there is water released in BM WMA it does not go through the Big Bayou we have covered that. Yes, a lot of the moist soil rest areas you see from Hwy 152 there at the lodge are pumped from the Big Bayou, but so is everybody elses property that adjoins the Big Bayou. Remember and I want this to be clear when the boards are put in at the Scatters it does not effect the Big Bayou one way or the other that thing runs free and clear from Jacksonville till it hits the river.

The rest of the property under 5-Oaks control is pumped either by a well head or by a power unit. Weather it be Lodge property or personal property.

Well thats all I got if I missed anything feel free to add to it, but don't say that George benifits from the de-watering of Bayou Meto WMA. It does not hurt nor does it help him in any fashion. Making complaints about Commissioners is fine with me, but know the facts when you do it. Geroge is a good guy and a fine conservationist.
 

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I'm not trying to be a smart %$# but, since you are freinds with him find out why they pulled the boards so early and drained it back down before season was over. I heard it was to save the timber but, the timber at the bandfields in winchester stays flooded from before season to after season and it doesn't kill the timber. just interested. let us know something. I agree you we need to know the facts so they can be addressed correctly.
 
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