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Ok you have convinced me hunting ducks in the afternoon on wmas is a bad idea. But if it is so bad on the public grounds then isnt it just as bad on private lands also. Remember we are to do whats best for the ducks not for the boots in the water. HALF DAY ONLY state wide now if your really serious about whats best for the ducks then this is the only option. Dont give me this private ground is different cause of taxes and this and that, it is not different ducks dont know if they are on public or private land all they know is they have a place to sit. So I say make it uniformed across the whole state cause we we need to do whats best for the ducks right. Or are you a bunch who talk out of both sides of your mouth? Seems nobody wants to touch this cause then it might impact your hunting opprotunies remember it is whats best for the ducks not us hunters so if half a day only on public lands then it should be that way for the whole state. Come on Manybeards lets here it you said duck hunting would go to crap if we allowed all day weekend only hunting on public lands. Remember we are doing whats best for the ducks not for the hunter. I put this in overcrowding but nobody wanted to talk about this. I wonder howcome
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fed up....one big difference. Public Ground has to be managed for the Masses. It is best for the Masses, as well as the ducks, that you give the 'shooting grounds' rest for 1/2 day.
Private Ground is managed for those few that hunt it. If they want to blow it out by hunting the afternoons as well, it is their choice, they are only hurting themselves. Those ducks will just go find ground that the owner leaves alone in the afternoon or public ground to rest & relax, helping those/us guys out.
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X2 MM:thumb: Most of the people I know that hunt private or have a lease dont hunt afternoons. If they do its the last few days of the season like the wma's. I cant speak for all. I respect your opinion, but I dont think it is a good idea. I save all of my vaction time for duck season. I wish I was still in college and could hunt every day. Do you think the people that hunt private are double dipping or something? You can only kill one limit per day! Dont hold it agianst people that own land, for the most part they try to manage ducks also!!!
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fed up....one big difference. Public Ground has to be managed for the Masses. It is best for the Masses, as well as the ducks, that you give the 'shooting grounds' rest for 1/2 day.
Private Ground is managed for those few that hunt it. If they want to blow it out by hunting the afternoons as well, it is their choice, they are only hurting themselves. Those ducks will just go find ground that the owner leaves along in the afternoon or public ground to rest & relax, helping those/us guys out.
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Well if the whole state is half day then it should really help the ducks relax I mean come on just common sense right remember were doing whats best for the ducks not the hunter If we are going to let them alone then lets let them alone everybody.
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fedup,

I think you are missing the point, and also missing some understanding of waterfowl management. Different techniques are employed for different situations, and also to reach different goals.
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I don't care if it's public or private, the ducks aren't the only thing that needs REST in the afternoon!!!! :snooze:
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X2 MM:thumb: Most of the people I know that hunt private or have a lease dont hunt afternoons. If they do its the last few days of the season like the wma's. I cant speak for all. I respect your opinion, but I dont think it is a good idea. I save all of my vaction time for duck season. I wish I was still in college and could hunt every day. Do you think the people that hunt private are double dipping or something? You can only kill one limit per day! Dont hold it agianst people that own land, for the most part they try to manage ducks also!!!
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Not holding anything against anybody I wish I could hunt everyday also but I cant. What everyone is saying is hunting is great because of Half day hunting on the wmas right well if it was half day for the whole state then think how much better our hunting will be if eveyone will quit at noon according to the arguments I have heard then our hunting should become twice as good it might take a couple years we should see drastic improvements or do we not want that either.
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PRIVATE GROUND IS NOT OVER HUNTED LIKE A WMA. THEY MANAGE THEIR LAND. YOU DONT HAVE 10 HUNTERS PER ACRE. :hopeless:
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fedup,

I think you are missing the point, and also missing some understanding of waterfowl management. Different techniques are employed for different situations, and also to reach different goals.
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Wait a minute now managing for different goals man the only goal i know of is to have so many ducks that everyone gets great hunting we all pay those license fees pitman robertson taxes one eighth cent sales tax this to the ones who want to say wmas are free they aint free. We are all paying into the pool now if some want to spend more thats there bussiness but the hunt will end at noon and thats whats best for the ducks and whats best for the hunters as a whole. Thats what is being said I say lets put it into practice for everyone. People want to start spliting hairs when it comes down to having to give up a little it is ok to sit and say change your situation. But it is different when it becomes their situtation that needs to be changed.
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Wait a minute now managing for different goals man the only goal i know of is to have so many ducks that everyone gets great hunting we all pay those license fees pitman robertson taxes one eighth cent sales tax this to the ones who want to say wmas are free they aint free. We are all paying into the pool now if some want to spend more thats there bussiness but the hunt will end at noon and thats whats best for the ducks and whats best for the hunters as a whole. Thats what is being said I say lets put it into practice for everyone. People want to start spliting hairs when it comes down to having to give up a little it is ok to sit and say change your situation. But it is different when it becomes their situtation that needs to be changed.
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Like I said, I think you are missing the point of letting the public hunting areas rest. The rest has nothing to do with increasing the population of ducks. It has to do with increasing hunter opportunity and enjoyment on public land. This goal will change depending on the hunter and the property hunted.
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Rocketman said:
PRIVATE GROUND IS NOT OVER HUNTED LIKE A WMA. THEY MANAGE THEIR LAND. YOU DONT HAVE 10 HUNTERS PER ACRE. :hopeless:
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Wait a minute yall have said Half day hunting is the reason we have the hunting we have right. Then it should be Half day for everyone the whole state. Now is it the reason or isnt it see thats back to talking out of both sides of the mouth again it is the reason or it isnt.
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We paid for that land. Why can't WE hunt it all day just like you do? What we kill here in Arkansas has very little to do with how many birds "make it" the next yr.

Make sure more birds are born. Buying more wetlands is good. But, if we don't see that more birds or born, we do nothing but buy land.
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fed up said:
Wait a minute now managing for different goals man the only goal i know of is to have so many ducks
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Yes, many different goals. Waterfowl management is a complex science. When you only focus on one goal, as you have stated, you fail to see the bigger picture.
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fed up said:
Wait a minute now managing for different goals man the only goal i know of is to have so many ducks that everyone gets great hunting we all pay those license fees pitman robertson taxes one eighth cent sales tax this to the ones who want to say wmas are free they aint free. We are all paying into the pool now if some want to spend more thats there bussiness but the hunt will end at noon and thats whats best for the ducks and whats best for the hunters as a whole. Thats what is being said I say lets put it into practice for everyone. People want to start spliting hairs when it comes down to having to give up a little it is ok to sit and say change your situation. But it is different when it becomes their situtation that needs to be changed.
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As far as i can see you're the only one for it. Like I said you can only kill one limit per right?
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fed up said:
Ok you have convinced me hunting ducks in the afternoon on wmas is a bad idea. But if it is so bad on the public grounds then isnt it just as bad on private lands also. Remember we are to do whats best for the ducks not for the boots in the water. HALF DAY ONLY state wide now if your really serious about whats best for the ducks then this is the only option. Dont give me this private ground is different cause of taxes and this and that, it is not different ducks dont know if they are on public or private land all they know is they have a place to sit. So I say make it uniformed across the whole state cause we we need to do whats best for the ducks right. Or are you a bunch who talk out of both sides of your mouth? Seems nobody wants to touch this cause then it might impact your hunting opprotunies remember it is whats best for the ducks not us hunters so if half a day only on public lands then it should be that way for the whole state. Come on Manybeards lets here it you said duck hunting would go to crap if we allowed all day weekend only hunting on public lands. Remember we are doing whats best for the ducks not for the hunter. I put this in overcrowding but nobody wanted to talk about this. I wonder howcome
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I don't foresee the Game and Fish ever being able to regulate private lands like that. And some of the leases I've heard don't allow hunting in the afternoons or atleast not every afternoon.

Don't you wonder where the ducks are going to rest and roost at if you allow hunting all day state wide? I'll tell you where. They will find the rest areas and wildlife refuges and not leave them. Either that or they will be in the next state. Got news for you my friend, they are not going to keep flying into spots where they are getting shot at all day long.
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fed up said:
Wait a minute yall have said Half day hunting is the reason we have the hunting we have right. Then it should be Half day for everyone the whole state. Now is it the reason or isnt it see thats back to talking out of both sides of the mouth again it is the reason or it isnt.
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Quack Attack, you sure this ain't you in your second personality? I swear, this ol' boy likes to hear himself talk as much as you.
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What you have 2 threads now :smack: Here's what I just posted on the other.

Ok if anything I want the private land owners to hunt their spots during the afternoon. All that does is make them move to an unhunted area. That means the ducks that are getting pounded at that particular private ground are more likely to start using a WMA so they can rest in the afternoon.

Like I said before not hunting in the afternoon is a good thing so if someone wants to afternoon hunt and push the ducks off of private land to the public land, I'm all for it.
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I don't foresee the Game and Fish ever being able to regulate private lands like that. And some of the leases I've heard don't allow hunting in the afternoons or atleast not every afternoon.

Don't you wonder where the ducks are going to rest and roost at if you allow hunting all day state wide? I'll tell you where. They will find the rest areas and wildlife refuges and not leave them. Either that or they will be in the next state. Got news for you my friend, they are not going to keep flying into spots where they are getting shot at all day long.
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I never said to open the wmas to all day hunting on an every day bases. Just sat and sunday. Rest of the time leave it at half days. That will do two things

1 It will give the man who has to work some of those weekend mornings during the season a chance to hunt. After all he pays for those areas just like you, and everyone who hunt and fish in the state. License , stamps , the sales tax we passed, Pitman robertson taxes he pays when he buys gear waders, guns,shells the camo clothes he wears on so forth. He deserves the same chance as everyone else gets in the mornings. I would be in favor instead of sundown that cut off time is 1 hour before sundown that way ducks get to sit down and rest in the woods and it would also help prevent people from shooting a roost.

2 I am 41 I remember when Bayuo Meto was all day hunting Execpt for a small section in the very center. We had no problems killing ducks then and there were ducks there all season long. In fact we had better hunting in those days not just there but across the whole state. We have had half day hunting only on wmas for at least 10 years now and personally from what I have seen and heard the hunting is not as good as it was even in the 90's

3. Yes the AGFC can regulate when you can and cannot hunt even on private land. They do it with the canada goose season it is half day only period public and private.
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OK fed up.....What good is it possibly going to do for you to quit hunting at noon on private land???? That's the million dollar question
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