ok before this turns into an anti deer dog ban bowhunting don't kill baby bucks by neck shots bigfoot did it hatin on road huntin thread, this is just a how do you consider it thread. :thumb: All my life I've always heard if you can hang a ring on it, count it as a point, but now i'm more inclined to say it was to be atleast an inch to count as any more than a bump on the beam. Here's an example: about 10 years ago I killed a buck that I considered a non typical 12, well when i took it to check it in at the old store in Knob ( Wodrows as some in this area will remember) he takes his wedding ring off and my twelve turned into a 17 or 18 point I can't remember exactly and that is how he recorded it! Well had a fellar lookin at my big 7 i killed this year and he tells me thats a nice 10 pointer. I told him thanks but it's only a 7. Next thing i know he's got a ring and hang every knot on it!