Arkansas has had a youth hunt run into Feb. before, and others states have as well. Youth hunts are allowed after the regular season.Keep in mind though about the youth hunt being after ours closes, that per thw USFW, duck season can't last longer than the last Sunday of January.
Arkansas is not the only state going with one hen only in the flyway, and Arkansas wasn't the first. We aren't "setting any example" on that issue. The spinning wing decoys is that example, yet you continue to support that 'example setting'???Okay....
4) As for the hens....Why don't we do what the FWS recommends. If they say 60 days 4 mallards with 2 hens. Why don't we do that. Arkansas has tried to "set the example" on this and other issues, but no other states are stepping up. What good does this do?
Duck numbers are going down??? I thought we just came off a good year with some pretty good number increases??? Now the near future may see some reduction....but right at this moment I wouldn't consider us in a serious downward trend.2) Leave the hen limit to ONE ONLY. The duck numbers are going down any way so why shoot more than one hen. Dead hens cant lay eggs!! And after all we are the leading mallard harvester state in the country so leave the susies along.
Agreed....But we're (Arkansas) not going to save too many ducks under Adaptive Harvest Management.Arkansas is not the only state going with one hen only in the flyway, and Arkansas wasn't the first. We aren't "setting any example" on that issue. The spinning wing decoys is that example, yet you continue to support that 'example setting'???
note...I support it to...:thumb:
I can't find the numbers right off hand, but you can't argue that AR is one of the top Mallard harvest states YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. You can grow all the habitat you want, but if there are no hens, especially super hens, left around to nest, you are just going to have one big praire that needs to be bush-hogged.i hate to burst the bubble but i beleive california has beat us three years in a row in mallard harvest and if the hen limit is raised it won't decimate the population because (lack of) habitat is what keeps the population from climbing not numbers
They are the closest to Arkansas buy not quite up to beating our mallard harvest...i hate to burst the bubble but i beleive california has beat us three years in a row in mallard harvest
This is the truth....it is plain and simple. All one has to do is watch the population trends, and compared that to the habitat conditions on the PPR to see that managed hunting has little to NO effect on the duck population. It is all driven by the whims and wishes of good ol' Mother Nature.if the hen limit is raised it won't decimate the population because (lack of) habitat is what keeps the population from climbing not numbers
It is??? Who has done the research and reported the data??? How has that effected the population??? If it is so conclusive why has the USF&W not taken to the reduction of hen limits??? Why only the hen limits set on mallards....why not on teal,gadwal, & shoveler l? Even without the hen limit on those three (which at times can be hard to tell if one is shooting a drake or hen, and six can be bagged) their populations continue to grow. Could it be that 'super hens' don't exist in shoveler,gadwall, & gwt, and any of those hens can produce little ones, or maybe those ducks just adapt to todays habitat offerings better then some other ducks do?The data for bagging 2 hens rather than one is pretty conclusive on the reduction of clutch numbers.
Pintail harvest has been extremely restrictive for about as long as I can remember...I was a young'en hunting during the point system. So we have been sending back the hens, and likely the good ol' "super pintal hens" yet they're reported numbers have not seemed to respond too positively to reduced hunting(still at a -19 from long term goal). Seems to me our hunting or lack there of has had little affect on that population....but lack of proper habitat to their liking has continued to hold their numbers back. HABITAT. HABITAT. HABITAT. That is THE key.you can grow all the habitat you want, but if there are no hens, especially super hens, left around to nest, you are just going to have one big praire that needs to be bush-hogged.
2007 mallard breeding population---8.3 million, 11% above the long term average.What I am saying is that yes last years numbers may have been some better but we have remained BELOW the long term averyage for some time now on all species other than maybe teal and gadwall.
30 & 3 will likely come again someday(cause that is what duck numbers & seasons do, they go in cycles)....and just like before over hunting will have little or nothing to do with it, and a lack of grass & water on the PPR will. If any decide to quit just because there is not as many days, and not as many ducks in the bag, then they were likely not eat up with the sport, and doing it for more bad reasons then good. At that point I'll question who was really the greedy ones of the bunch.You put opportunity first, duck numbers will reduce so far that only a certain few will be able to justify the investment for killing 2 ducks per day for 30 days.
couldn't have said it better myself:up:Guys to tell ya the truth here is how I stand on the issues.
1) I say on the youth hunt the 15 shot shell rule is redicoulus let em carry a few more it is the youth hunt after all. We need more YOUNG kids in duck hunting and if after 15 shells all they have got is a couple of woodies then their intrest might not stay. :doh:
2) Leave the hen limit to ONE ONLY. The duck numbers are going down any way so why shoot more than one hen. Dead hens cant lay eggs!! And after all we are the leading mallard harvester state in the country so leave the susies along.
3) Leave the cursed mojo mallards out:razz:. Less to have to hastle with and honestly on my part the birds work better without em.
4) If the woody numbers are good enough to raise the limit to three then who cares. So long as we dont damage their numbers too much. Dont shoot that many wood ducks anyhow. I know one thing though with a three woody limit certain public timber spots will be even more early shooting than normal. Leave the woodies along so you can work the mallards later.
5) I vote for leaving the water by 1:00 seems fair to me.
In our area they also disscused the lifting of the 15 shell limit on certain WMAs dont hunt all that much so I dont have a dog in that fight.
i agree completely about the season length open it up on thanksgiving, friday, saturday and sunday then close it till first or second weekend in december and hunt all of january i think we all saw more ducks after the season ended than we ever did all season...also allow youth hunt after the season ends and carry ever how many shells they want into bayou meto or dave donaldson or what select few wma's have shell limits ( i think there should be a shell limit on all wma's during the season of a box of shells (25) per person)I agree, with ya'll on the youth hunt at the end of season and letting them carry more than 15 shells.
And talking about numbers and habitat, they are having a bad drought up in the duck factory as we sit here and talk about it. There are also a lot of farmers who are coming out of there srp contracts this year and they are not getting them renewed because of this ethenol thing and they can mke more plowing it up and growing corn. so I think numbers are gonna be a big deal this season, I completely disagree about opening it up to kill 2 hens. I wish they would make it 2 hens nationwide.
I wold also like to see the season open up for a few weeks in november and only take one break ,for a while at the first of december, and then open back straight through the end of season. Still have your 60 days of season but quit doing all the breaks the last half of season.