Well, since they're always closed I doubt the rare very very very very very very few days they're eeeeeeeeever open will hurt the deer population. That's one thing that pushed me away from ever seriously considering getting in a deer lease in the woodruff county area when I lived there. It's always a gamble whether it'll be open or not.
Flood Zones to re-open for Christmas Hunts
Just released by G&F:
Off of G&F Flood Zone page:
Off of G&F Flood Zone page:
Off of G&F Facebook:In areas where flood prone zones don't open by gauge readings, deer hunting season will be open from Dec. 26-Jan. 8 in flood prone regions A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and I. Beginning Jan. 9, hunters should consult the flood zone hotline at 800-440-1477 800-440-1477 or refer to this page to determine if their flood zone is open for deer hunting
It states that it will open Dec 26 and be open thru Jan 8, after that it will go back under the conditions of the Flood Zone reg's. Now the gray area, from what I am picking up on this, it is only valid for "Private Land Only", all WMA's and public land will still be under the current Flood Zone restrictions and will not re-open until the water falls to or below the mandated levels.Flood zones reopen for Christmas deer hunts
LITTLE ROCK –Arkansas Game and Fish Commission Director Loren Hitchcock has authorized opening the state’s private land flood prone zones in advance of the upcoming modern gun, muzzleloader and youth deer hunts. Last week, commissioners gave the director of the AGFC the authority to open any closed flood prone region based on the recommendation of the c...
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problem is facebook and their site says all flood zones
it doesnt break it down to public/ private but does say bow hunters cant start hunting areas till the 26th
it doesnt break it down to public/ private but does say bow hunters cant start hunting areas till the 26th
I'd track down one of the wardens, or call Rudick's hunting supply. They'll know what's going on over there.
870-731-5045
870-731-5045
It says private ground, they should just open it all If they're going to do it anyways. Politics at work
there in lies the problem one knows the others just ... well.... they just ....don't
Either way Hurricane here I come:idea:
Either way Hurricane here I come:idea:
problem is facebook and their site says all flood zones
it doesnt break it down to public/ private but does say bow hunters cant start hunting areas till the 26th
Well it took them a while to publicly answer the question on their facebook page, but here is their answer to the many question ask on the issue of private and/or public lands:
Looks like all public land within the flood zone will remained closed, only privately owned lands may be hunted under this deal!Arkansas Game and Fish Commission--- The proclamation states "private property".
Bravo!! Kill all the deer, this is silly. Rules should be rules, but they bend and change to suit the wants of few. They said something about providing time for the "kids" to hunt, and people to harvest some deer as the population is growing. I hope ya'll have plenty in the flooded areas, should be able to pick them up by the sacks full. That would be like opening the river levee to hunting when the Ms. is really high.
Just got off there facebook page and the Agfc are stating that this opening is just for private land owners! This is bs.
You don't reckon a Commissioner has private land under this "deal" do you??Looks like all public land within the flood zone will remained closed, only privately owned lands may be hunted under this deal!
Man, the AGFC has been crooked for 100 years. This is nothing new.
As long as the AGFC is ran by a "Commission" of appointed rich fat cats, it will always be this way.
MY only thing about this is why don't we just do away with flood prone regions, it sure would make things alot easier. That way no one has to figure if their area is closed and AGFC won't have to make any proclaimation to make changes. So with this change it just shows all the flood prone regions is just a mute point.
Why have flood zones for private land anyway. There just going to bend the rules for the ones with all the pull anyway. The message from the G&F said the rivers will fall before the hunts are over but if you look at the predictions most of the rivers are rising. Why use the kids for there stupid reasons for opening the zones.
Makes perfect sense to keep the areas closed to bowhunting and then open them to gun hunting.:smack:
What a bunch of boneheads.
What a bunch of boneheads.
I don't see what the big deal is. I think some are upset that don't own land in a flood zone. The flood zones are screwed up anyway. I didn't get to hunt during the first part of gun season due to work. When I finally was able to go it was closed. Now I get to take my son on the Christmas hunt and it's almost a guarantee he's going to kill one!!!
I understand why you want your kid to kill a deer. My son is grown but when he started hunting I wanted him to have the best chance to kill one even before I did. But the G&F comm. mandate is to manage and protect the game in Ark. to the best of it's ability. Their not doing that with this ruling. The deer are crowded and easy to kill. It's not right any way you look at it
This makes no sense at all. The duck hunters have the deer pushed onto private ground around Dagmar, Black Swamp, Cache NWR, Hurricane, White River NWR, etc. because the timber is flooded. Now, the AGFC decides to open gauntlet up on deer. Historic incompetence.
But don't you see? It makes perfect sense. A Commissioner or two have land in those areas they hunt and they make the rules to suit them and their friends. Its always been this way. The only reason they become Commissioners is for the perks. It doesnt pay anything and they have to make a HEAFTY contribution to the Governors campaign fund to become one. Commissioners are worse than politicians.nansman:1419641 said:This makes no sense at all. The duck hunters have the deer pushed onto private ground around Dagmar, Black Swamp, Cache NWR, Hurricane, White River NWR, etc. because the timber is flooded. Now, the AGFC decides to open gauntlet up on deer. Historic incompetence.
Look at the Zone 17 rules. Same thing. Thats where the rich guys hunt. Commissioners are all filthy rich and have rich friends who they help out.
This is nothing new.
I have nothing against rich folks. Just the ones who use their power for personal gain and crap on the little man on the process.
I seem to notice the only ones posting negatively are the ones who are not land owners....and if your a land owner or in a private ground lease and are not happy with it, simply do not hunt....
The river in alot of area's is lower than it would need to be to be closed, and it has been posted on here about this very issue.... so they do something about it, now the game and fish are allowing some area's to be open (private ground).....
Not everyone are "fat cats" that have private ground, or lease private ground...
It's not that complicated...if you get in a deer lease, you have rules that were put in place by that club....you have to follow them to be able to stay in that lease be it antler restrictions, have to harvest a doe first before bucks, no guests on opening weekends of any season....same with public lands...there are rules and restrictions, and if you want to hunt them, then you have to follow their rules.....
If your not interested in following the public ground rules, get into a lease.....there are alot of them that are not very expensive per year.....It's cheaper than buying private ground!
The river in alot of area's is lower than it would need to be to be closed, and it has been posted on here about this very issue.... so they do something about it, now the game and fish are allowing some area's to be open (private ground).....
Not everyone are "fat cats" that have private ground, or lease private ground...
It's not that complicated...if you get in a deer lease, you have rules that were put in place by that club....you have to follow them to be able to stay in that lease be it antler restrictions, have to harvest a doe first before bucks, no guests on opening weekends of any season....same with public lands...there are rules and restrictions, and if you want to hunt them, then you have to follow their rules.....
If your not interested in following the public ground rules, get into a lease.....there are alot of them that are not very expensive per year.....It's cheaper than buying private ground!
Ya think? :smack: Why would one of the land owners compalin about this? It's the guys who hunt the Public land who are getting the shaft.I seem to notice the only ones posting negatively are the ones who are not land owners....
Here's the deal as I see it:
If the Public land is closed, and the private land besides it is open, and they both have the same topographic elevations, then it is wrong. The public land should be no different than the private as far as flood zone rules go. Now, if the private land is a higher elevation, then I can see it. But this is not the case.
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