I dont think that coon dog and rabbit dog hunters should fall into the same category at all. Same with hog doggers.

 

I think most folks have issues with deer and hog dog runners because those dogs typically run game further. Of course when we ran coon dogs we had some that would run a long ways. I think for the most part it boils down to invasion. Dogs can't read, some owners could care less where their dogs run and it ticks people off and unfortnately all big game dog runners get lumped together.

 

Deer doggers and the squirrel doggers that have no consideration for deer hunters .

 

I hunt coon and squirrels with dogs and I try my best to keep the off of land they do not belong on. I have deer hunted with dogs but did not care much for it myself but I have nothing wrong with people hunting that way as long as its being doing legally. For the hogs I think they should all be kill by what ever means need. I guess I am for anybody that wants to hunt no matter how they prefer to hunt as long as its legal but I can not stand to sit and listen to someone tell me that they think all dogs should be banned or shot I think that is just human ignorance. If you shoot a guys hunting dog because it crossed your land instead of catching it and calling the owner you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

I agree about deer doggers not having alot of consideration for other hunters.

My dogs are never in the woods during the day, I hunt at night. I am out of the woods and back home before deer hunters get out there.

I also make sure I know where I am hunting, who owns what and how they feel about me coon hunting. Most people don't have a problem with me hunting, I hunt around a dairy farm quite a bit.

Most people want the coon population taken down a little bit to save what little turkey eggs that can be saved. Between the coons and the fire ants we are losing a lot of turkey.

I dont tear up people's property, my dogs dont mess with cattle. They just like killing coons.

 

I have a problem with ANY dog owner that allows his dogs to run willy-nilly all over the country side. I do not like deer dogs running anywhere(and I grew up running deer dogs) because they disrupt everyone elses hunt whether they are chasing a deer or just looking for home. I sit a stand or occassionaly in places with low hunter density I may still hunt, both are low impact but if I think I may disturb someone else's hunt I stay in one place because I want to be considerate of that person's time, effort, enjoyment, etc. Dog runners cannot have this level of control on their disturbance, it's impossible and it's often used as a crutch, exhibits A, B, and C: "My dog can't read signs", "My dog just knows to hunt, not know where you're huntin'", "Dogs just follow the critter their chasin', I can't help where they go" I could go on ad nauseum with more statements that I have actually heard such as these but you get my point. Yes I'm sure there are just a few bad apples but they do in fact spoil the whole bunch. I have a bad taste in my mouth because of the ones I've dealt with and most have the attitude that they just don't care what what you think.

You can stick five non dog hunters on a couple hundred acres and nobody bothers anybody, but put one pack of dogs on there and they will dictate everything about everyone's hunt.

 

It's fine to hunt however you want as long as it's not crossing into how someone else hunts. Problem with dogs is that it's next to impossible to keep them from doing that. As far as shooting what comes into someone else's property.......well, it's their property. Not the dog runner's. Now, for a dog runner to argue against that proves that dogs are uncontrollable, and proves that the dogs are going to cross the line from time to time. When I find some land to purchase after life slows down I can promise there won't be dogs on it. One way or another..... If anyone is caught on that land looking for anything they can expect to be prosecuted to the fullest for trespassing and any other charges that can be conjured up.

 

I don't have a dog problem it's a trespass problem.

 

So what you are saying is that a guy legally hunting dogs no matter there hunting as less rights to be there as soon as deer seasons starts. I am talking about public land not private. Look as long a the agfc has season open at the same time you are going to have people in the woods hunting for different critters at the same time its just a fact of life. If I start hunting down the road form you and just happen to have a squirrel dog with me and I scare your deer off to bad because as long as its on public land I have just as much right as you to be there hunting. Cant help we arent hunting the same thing.

 

I guess I am for anybody that wants to hunt no matter how they prefer to hunt as long as its legal but I can not stand to sit and listen to someone tell me that they think all dogs should be banned or shot I think that is just human ignorance. If you shoot a guys hunting dog because it crossed your land instead of catching it and calling the owner you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Here's the deal, It's not the landowner's resposibility to catch YOUR DOG. I don't want to chase down dogs in my free time.

 

So what you are saying is that a guy legally hunting dogs no matter there hunting as less rights to be there as soon as deer seasons starts. Look as long a the agfc has season open at the same time you are going to have people in the woods hunting for different critters at the same time its just a fact of life. If I start hunting down the road form you and just happen to have a squirrel dog with me and I scare your deer off to bad because as long as its on public land I have just as much right as you to be there hunting. Cant help we arent hunting the same thing.

And doggers wonder why we don't agree with them.

 

So what you are saying is that a guy legally hunting dogs no matter there hunting as less rights to be there as soon as deer seasons starts. I am talking about public land not private. Look as long a the agfc has season open at the same time you are going to have people in the woods hunting for different critters at the same time its just a fact of life. If I start hunting down the road form you and just happen to have a squirrel dog with me and I scare your deer off to bad because as long as its on public land I have just as much right as you to be there hunting. Cant help we arent hunting the same thing.

My activity won't disrupt yours, can you say the same?

 

My activity won't disrupt yours, can you say the same?

X1000 :dontknow:

 

So what you are saying is that a guy legally hunting dogs no matter there hunting as less rights to be there as soon as deer seasons starts. I am talking about public land not private. Look as long a the agfc has season open at the same time you are going to have people in the woods hunting for different critters at the same time its just a fact of life. If I start hunting down the road form you and just happen to have a squirrel dog with me and I scare your deer off to bad because as long as its on public land I have just as much right as you to be there hunting. Cant help we arent hunting the same thing.

Why wouldn't you go somewhere that you KNOW there are no other hunters to bother? Just sayin'........

 

Im not saying we have to agree but I am saying we have equal right to be own public land. I dont care if deer season is open or not if I decide I want to go squirrel hunting with my dog as long as squirrel season is open I have just as much right to hunt there as you do. As far as on private land if I dont have premission to be on it and all the land around it I simply do not turn my dogs loose there I can control my coon a squirrel dogs if you dont beleive come see for your self. I respect private landowners and agree if you dont want me there I will not be there.

 

My activity won't disrupt yours, can you say the same?

I can honestly say that I have never disturbed a deer hunter. If my coon hounds disturb a deer hunter, he is poaching at night and needs disturbed

 

So what you are saying is that a guy legally hunting dogs no matter there hunting as less rights to be there as soon as deer seasons starts. I am talking about public land not private. Look as long a the agfc has season open at the same time you are going to have people in the woods hunting for different critters at the same time its just a fact of life. If I start hunting down the road form you and just happen to have a squirrel dog with me and I scare your deer off to bad because as long as its on public land I have just as much right as you to be there hunting. Cant help we arent hunting the same thing.

And doggers wonder why we don't agree with them.

Looks to me like between you post and cropdustersteves post you added in the little fact about public land there. Huge difference in opinon. I may not like it but public is public and you can hunt there. respect says move on to another spot if you know there is a hunter. If your deer huntin and someone sits a stand 20 yards from you, you gonna keep quite? just keep your dogs off private land thats not yours.

why do all dog threads started by dog hunters fail to mention they mean public land until things arent going there way?

 

I can honestly say that I have never disturbed a deer hunter. If my coon hounds disturb a deer hunter, he is poaching at night and needs disturbed

:fit::fit::fit::fit: Good point!

 

Public land is just that open to everyone, but it is getting crowded even in the Ozark NF where I hunt some. Dogs just cut the pie into smaller pieces for everybody except the doggers.

You dog boys still haven't answered my question.

 

I can honestly say that I have never disturbed a deer hunter. If my coon hounds disturb a deer hunter, he is poaching at night and needs disturbed

Ok, what about the other doggers.

 

Im not saying we have to agree but I am saying we have equal right to be own public land. I dont care if deer season is open or not if I decide I want to go squirrel hunting with my dog as long as squirrel season is open I have just as much right to hunt there as you do. As far as on private land if I dont have premission to be on it and all the land around it I simply do not turn my dogs loose there I can control my coon a squirrel dogs if you dont beleive come see for your self. I respect private landowners and agree if you dont want me there I will not be there.

It comes down to respecting others' rights by using some common sense when you see trucks parked in the area. Pretty sure there are plenty of public acres to hunt without hunting the spots that a person with half of a brain can tell there are other hunters. Then again, we are talking about a group of hunters who could care less about respecting others rights. How about if you were still hunting squirrel and I came through your area running in circles and screaming? Other than thinking I was on something what other thoughts would be running through your head? Any that would require a : here on the forum? (This is just for deer doggers and hunt interrupting squirrel doggers that don't respect other hunters. Know plenty of folks that hunt squirrel with dogs, but somehow they manage to avoid deer hunters.)

 

Public or private, dogs intrude on everyone else's outdoor experience, no one can argue that.

 

Look I left that out because I thought people had enough since to know that not everybody has private land to hunt on I for one do not have very much nearly all my hunting is done on public national forest or some other public lands I agree with you guys that pay your hard earned money for your private land and leases. Your right neither me or my dogs have any right without you premission to be on your land. Thats cool with me because I will try my hardest to stay off of your private land. No I can not say my squirrel dog will not disturp you on public land when your are deer hunting there but I can promise you they will not bother you on your private land. Because its yours and I respect that.

 

I have friends and neighbors that dog hunt. They hunt all around us and I have never actually had one of their dogs on our land. I have ONCE had a nother hunters dog run thru chasing a NICE buck. But I had never seen the buck before and I never seen the dog again. I suppose I don't have a problem with dog runners because I have never had a run in with them.

 

Look I left that out because I thought people had enough since to know that not everybody has private land to hunt on I for one do not have very much nearly all my hunting is done on public national forest or some other public lands I agree with you guys that pay your hard earned money for your private land and leases. Your right neither me or my dogs have any right without you premission to be on your land. Thats cool with me because I will try my hardest to stay off of your private land. No I can not say my squirrel dog will not disturp you on public land when your are deer hunting there but I can promise you they will not bother you on your private land. Because its yours and I respect that.

So, screw everybody else if you wanna run your dogs? Even though I pay taxes as well and have been scouting here all year and hung my stand three months ago. Hmmm.....do you see what I'm talking about? Do you care? Everyone is at the dog hunters mercy.