Diesel vs Gas burner

Discussion in 'Trucks and Cars' started by Mr. Chitlin, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:53 PM.

  1. Mr. Chitlin

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    I'm looking to purchase a new truck after the first of the year. Looking real hard at a F250/2500 series truck. Options include diesel engines and gas burners. Diesel runs about an extra $9K +/-. Going to use it to pull a boat, general running around the country and whatever else I want to use it for. At 59 years old this will probably be the last truck I'll ever buy because I run them till the wheels fall off.

    Any advantage of the diesel over the gas burner? I've had diesel work trucks but never in a personal truck.

    ETA - Post #50,000. :D
     
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  2. SwampCat

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    I thought about going the diesel route on my next purchase but keep talking myself out of it. I dont absolutely have to have diesel and even though the engines supposedly lasts longer, there is still brakes, transmissions, rear ends, AC - all that other stuff to go wrong. Several diesel owners have told me you buy a diesel when you need to tow a lot.
     
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  3. Black_Foot

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    I've had 3/4 ton gas burner Chevy's since I was 18. Used to pull hay, equipment and cows several days week. Back then I truly had a need for a diesel but didn't really think that I could afford it. Now that I can afford a diesel, other than a boat I might pull a trailer 6 times a year and would be just as well off with a 1/2 ton. I actually drive my 2001 Toyota Tacoma hunting buggy more than anything.

    A lot of farmers that I work with drive 1/2 tons and mid sized trucks now and just hire someone to haul anything too big for their daily driver. The way I look at it is that most any major maintenance on a diesel is going to cost twice as much as a gas burner. Combine that with the additional up front cost, DEF, and diesel, that extra lifespan of the diesel isn't quite as appealing to me.

    On the other hand, I know guys with diesels that don't have a 5th wheel or goose neck ball and the receiver has never seen a hitch.
     
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  4. NaturalStateNative

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    My next truck will be a diesel, without question. I don't have anything that I can't pull with my 1/2 ton hemi, but I do have things that I pull often that would be a lot less frustrating to pull with a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel. My 22' tritoon for example. It's not that heavy, but the hills around the lake are a pain, if the wind is blowing it drags my truck all over the road, and I get about 5 mpg's...I would for sure get a bigger camper if I had a diesel, and I would also take it on trips out of state. That's not something I want to do with my half ton.
     
  5. ozarkthunder

    ozarkthunder Well-Known Member

    I am in the same situation.I went to vo tech in diesel mechanics and worked as one for awhile. I like diesel engines. It depends on how often you pull loads, but the extra initial cost,plus upkeep/repairs are quite a bit more,may not be worth it. You can buy a lot of gas for 9000$.I am looking at a 3/4 ton gas burner.
     
  6. John Stiles

    John Stiles Ultimate Member<br>2007 Team Turkey Contest Winner

    Saw the local fuel stop sign yesterday, reg. gas and farm[red] diesel was $2.19...but you cant use farm diesel in a highway vehicle.
     
  7. CWF

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    Bottom line: if you are pulling heavy, long distance, and often, go with the diesel. If not, the gas burner will be cheaper.

    ***post based upon family business hauling 12-15k pound trailers daily for 15 years, but only a couple hours per day. Used to buy diesels. Cost too much to operate, repair, and purchase. Chevy 3/4 ton with 6.0 liter 4x4 gas burners are the fleet now.
     
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  8. Saltydog

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    2018 model year Fords will be sporting "new" diesel options according to what I read. The smaller diesels are made in the UK.... supposed to be a very good and reliable engine.
     
  9. orangefeetdown

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    I want a diesel so bad I can't stand it, but just cannot justify the added expense and upkeep costs. I would pull something I would truly like to have a diesel for about 5-6 times a year.

    That being said, if I had your kind of money and it was going to be my last truck, I'd definitely buy the diesel
     
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  10. John Stiles

    John Stiles Ultimate Member<br>2007 Team Turkey Contest Winner

    Or one of each! ROFLMAO!!!
     
  11. Mule man

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    The old reasons for buying a diesel are pretty much gone. Maintain a gas engine and you can easily get 200K miles. 100K was the breakpoint back in the day. Diesel used to be cheaper, now it's higher. Maintenance is higher. Upfront cost is way higher. I think if I was driving 40Kor 50K miles a year and towing heavy loads I would get a diesel. I believe the rear axle ratio plays a bigger part in towing than the engine. Newer trucks with 6 speed trannies and a low gear ratio are towing machines but can still run out on the highway when not in the tow/haul mode. JMO
     
  12. Saltydog

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    Back in the 80's, during the gas line debacle and gas shortage, long lines at the pump... blah blah... the fed govt was offering tax benefits for folks to buy diesel powered cars. This was before Clinton/Gore started in with low sulfur regulations, etc.
    Wife and I were in need of new vehicles - I bought a used Ford Ranger pickup with a 3 cyl, turbo charged, Mitsubishi diesel - that thing was great! I wish I still had it... Got 45 miles to the gallon and it could literally push you back in your seat it was so "snappy"....
    We also bought a new Ford Escort station wagon for my wife with a diesel.... it was noisy, but it got over 50 miles per gallon on trips and averaged in the low 40's around town........
    Once they came out with the new govt regs Ford discontinued sales in the US......
     
  13. bullcreekboy

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    I'm always scared of "new" unproven debuts. I feel a lot better after they have sold a few hundred thousand of them and they have a good track record. Way too many flops have been introduced by the automakers in the past.
    As for diesels, if you're not pulling large loads regularly, it is a waste of money IMHO. One of these days all of those guys burning up the road in diesels for no reason are going to wake up and wish they had all the money back to spend on something meaningful.
     
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  14. arkrem870

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    I'd get a gas truck unless you pull something heavy 3-4 days a week. My big trailer with no load is 5000lbs - I pull it around to job sites 3-5 days a week. If I need to pick up a piece of equipment from rental store or some heavy material I can go get it. I get 13 mpg around town and 21-23 on the highway. 2016 gmc diesel

    The diesel I had before was nearly the same on gas mileage.

    I have a gas truck that I drive hunting. Diesels are horrible in the woods. It'll get stuck in heartbeat - tough to get out. Loud

    I'd only get one if you had a gas truck to piddle in
     
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  15. Mr. Chitlin

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    Thanks for the input. Good info and food for thought.
     
  16. John Stiles

    John Stiles Ultimate Member<br>2007 Team Turkey Contest Winner

    I'd get both!!! Lmao
     
  17. ray porter

    ray porter Well-Known Member

    if you dont pull heavy loads, get a gasser.

    arkrem870 is right on.

    i have 2 diesels because we pull over 9000 lbs often.
     
  18. Saltydog

    Saltydog Well-Known Member

    I agree with you about diesels are best used for folks with pulling needs these days...
    But I purposely put the word "new" in parentheses..... that UK diesel is a proven design. Been around for years in Europe and has great reviews. It's only new to the American market.
     
  19. Coniahargenio

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    THe comment about ford having similar diesels in the U.K. Is accurate, however I will add this: in order to pass US emissions changes will probably be made. These may be good or bad. Remember the 6.0liter ford diesel? Great engine in big trucks, but with emission requirements for the pickups it was HORRIBLE!!!!!

    diesels are great if towing often over 9,000 pounds and over a distance. If not I would lean towards the gas engine.

    I personally am not a fan of all the emissions gadgetry on the new diesels. When I see all that 'stuff' I think $$$ to buy, $$$ to maintain.
     
  20. Mr. Chitlin

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    That's what I may do. It's just money. :D
     
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