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I have a call into the AGFC, but it looks like we have a change for both Coyote and Hogs on WMA's this year. Anyone else catch it?


Coyote - We can hunt NOW and if the WMA is owned by AGFC(Choctaw Island) we can hunt with something larger than a 22.
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Unless otherwise prohibited, bobcat, fox and coyote may be taken during
daylight hours with firearms no larger than .30 caliber during bobcat, fox and coyote seasons on commissionowned
WMAs.

Coyote season opened July 1

Does that also mean if it is not owned by the AGFC we can hunt now and not wait until deer season if we use the 22 rule?

HOGS on WMAs

It sounds like you can hunt them during any season not just Deer.

Feral Hogs
Feral hogs may be shot on WMAs during any open daytime
hunting seasons or special deer, elk or turkey permit hunts with the weapons allowed for that season or hunt.
During special permit hunts, only permit holders may shoot or possess feral hogs. There is no bag limit, but
shooters must have a hunting license and may not pursue hogs at night.


DO I HAVE THIS RIGHT?

If this is right you can hunt hogs starting July 1 on AGFC owned WMA's with anything smaller than a .30 calibre.
 

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I just cut this out of the new regs. Everything in bold was not in 2007-2008 book.

Hunting Equipment
Killing devices or traps may not be possessed on WMAs unless a season is open. Rifles and pistols larger than
.22 caliber rimfire, muzzleloaders larger than .40 caliber, buckshot or rifled slugs may be used only during
modern gun deer or bear seasons. Muzzleloaders may be used during firearms seasons. Firearms may be carried
to and from firing ranges on WMAs. Unless otherwise prohibited, bobcat, fox and coyote may be taken during
daylight hours with firearms no larger than .30 caliber during bobcat, fox and coyote seasons on commissionowned
WMAs.
Concealed weapon permit holders may carry a modern handgun, but are not allowed to use it for any
hunting purpose. All concealed handgun permit holders must identify themselves to a wildlife officer when
complying with an inspection pertaining to birds, fish, game or other wildlife resources.


Feral Hogs
Feral hogs are not native to Arkansas. They compete for food with wildlife; damage fields, crops and timber;
and can carry diseases that can devastate livestock. Feral hogs may be shot on WMAs during any open daytime
hunting seasons or special deer, elk or turkey permit hunts with the weapons allowed for that season or hunt.

During special permit hunts, only permit holders may shoot or possess feral hogs. There is no bag limit, but
shooters must have a hunting license and may not pursue hogs at night.
Feral hogs may not be taken on WMAs
with the use of dogs, bait or traps. Dead feral hogs may be removed from the WMA or left where they were shot.
Hogs may not be released on any WMA or other public land in Arkansas.

The Hog rules are completely reworded. To me that says that commision owned lands you can hunt with 30 caliber or less during open season and hogs you can hunt during any daytime season. Why can't you hunt hogs or coyotes with say a 223 on commisioned owned lands since it is open daylight coyote season?
 

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thats cool. hope that it turns out that way. if we can use a .30 cal on coyotes (and therefore hogs) that opens up a lot more hunting opportunity, because lets face it, a .22 mag can kill hog with the right shot, but it isn't even comparable to a 7.62x39 or a .30-06:up:
 

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Rifles and pistols larger than
.22 caliber rimfire, muzzleloaders larger than .40 caliber, buckshot or rifled slugs may be used only during
modern gun deer or bear seasons.

Looks like to me they are "otherwise prohibited".
 

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Below is the regulation.

The red quote that you are seeing has absolutely no meaning and should not even be stated.(more G&F BS)...because it IS prohibited just two sentences above the remark....which I put in "bold".
Why is that last sentence included?

You can not use any rifle chambered for a bullet larger than a 22 cal. rimfire....(no centerfires)

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""Killing devices or traps may not be possessed on WMAs unless a season is open. Rifles and pistols larger than
.22 caliber rimfire, muzzleloaders larger than .40 caliber, buckshot or rifled slugs may be used only during
modern gun deer or bear seasons. Muzzleloaders may be used during firearms seasons. Firearms may be carried
to and from firing ranges on WMAs. Unless otherwise prohibited, bobcat, fox and coyote may be taken during
daylight hours with firearms no larger than .30 caliber during bobcat, fox and coyote seasons on commissionowned WMAs.""

 

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Feral hogs are not native to Arkansas. They compete for food with wildlife; damage fields, crops and timber; and can carry diseases that can devastate livestock. Feral hogs may be shot on WMAs during any open daytime hunting seasons or special deer, elk or turkey permit hunts with the weapons allowed for that season or hunt.
During special permit hunts, only permit holders may shoot or possess feral hogs. There is no bag limit, but shooters must have a hunting license and may not pursue hogs at night. Feral hogs may not be taken on WMAs with the use of dogs, bait or traps. Dead feral hogs may be removed from the WMA or left where they were shot.​
Hogs may not be released on any WMA or other public land in Arkansas.



The above translates to....
You can only hunt hogs with a 22 cal rimfire...unless you have a "permit" to hunt with a deer rifle..during the permit hunt. (only permit holders can shoot hogs during that hunt)

If the WMA goes by the "statewide" deer regs...you can hunt hogs during deer season with your deer rifle.


 

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This was sent to me today by the AGFC. I have a call in with another AGFC to find out if he tells the same story.

"In reference to Mr. ****'s question about coyote and hog hunting on
Choctaw Island WMA, his interpretation of the new regulation is correct.
Coyote season opened on WMAs on July 1, 2008 (Code 24.07(D). Rifles up
to .30 caliber are legal for the coyote season (Code 20.02 (I). Hog
hunting is allowed during open daytime hunting seasons on the area with
weapons legal for that hunting season (Code 20.34). Dogs are not allowed
for the taking of hogs on WMAs."

Captain Joe Hairston
C4 District Supervisor
Arkansas Game & Fish Commission
 

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I would sure print that off and maybe, just maybe it would save your hide. The problem I have with the answer they sent back to you is this "Rifles and pistols larger than
.22 caliber rimfire, muzzleloaders larger than .40 caliber, buckshot or rifled slugs may be used only during
modern gun deer or bear seasons."
There was a lot of confusion about this last year and I think they changed the wording to try to make it more clear but instead it's more :censored: up than ever.
 

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I wouldn't carry anything bigger than a .22, unless you have written permission from someone from AGFC who is important. I called the local warden and he accused me of trying to "find a loophole" for hog hunting. I politely thinked him for his time, and hung up.
 

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I am not trying to stir something up and I do not plan on doing it until I get more AGFC personel to ok it. They did send out a communication earlier this year saying that intend to try to better control the spread of hogs. That communication mainly had to do with stronger fines and penalties for releasing them and allowing them to be killed and abandoned. I will pass on whatever I get from the lease land biologist in SW AR when I he gets back with me.
 

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Yes...please keep us informed on this.

I don't know just what a "leased land" biologist could tell us on WMA regulations...but it could be interesting.

Question.
Why is it so difficult for G&F to make a simple regulation that some of us more challenged OF's can take as a factual statement...with all the "otherwise prohibited" BS eliminated?

Oh and Captain Hairston,
It plainly states that you must have a (deer)"permit" on Choctaw Island WMA to shoot hogs during all deer seasons.
 

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The lease land biologist is over all the WMA that are leased such as Howard County, Provo, Gum Flats, Lake Greason. He is over the land that they lease. Surely he can tell us something about at least those WMA's.

I talked to two game wardens today and both said they have not seen the new regulations. They said they would get back with me next week.

CP - I know it is not clear but in the case of Choctaw it sounds like you have to have a permit to hunt hogs during a permit deer hunt. During coyote season you could have at it. I agree they sure have made this unclear and they have not got all their own people up to speed.
 

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.....here we go again.....:smack::whistle:
Boy, you got that right. This is even worse than last year. :smack::banghead:

When a friend and I were at the meetings earlier in the year, There were some requests for budget allocations on the floor. One guy stands up and says his short piece and sits down. Then after him, the lawyers handed the commissioners several sheets of paper. They asked what this was for, the first guy stood up and said "It is the exact same thing I just told you. It just took legal 3 more pages to say it" It was really sad but true. :clap:

That is the problem we have here...... Again.
 

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The lease land biologist is over all the WMA that are leased such as Howard County, Provo, Gum Flats, Lake Greason. He is over the land that they lease. Surely he can tell us something about at least those WMA's.
I don't think the "new" regulation on .30 cal apply to a "leased lands WMA" as it is directed to "commission owned land".:wink:

Don't worry Cj....two or three more regulations should clear this right up...:fit:
 
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