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Buck-doe ratios have improved in areas with long doe seasons and gotten worse or been stabile in areas with little gun doe season. That's not too surprising. The overall numbers being that close to 2:1 does surprise me and makes me question it a little.

On our club the ratio is probably more like 1:1.5 or better after several years of good doe harvests and very selective buck harvests. I don't think that is reflective of the rest of our zone though.

What this doesn't tell is overall populations. I suspect over harvest in the CR area. What I can't understand is the tremendous drop in fawning there. Maybe that 2004-08 number is inflated but that is a huge drop.
 

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Buck-doe ratios have improved in areas with long doe seasons and gotten worse or been stabile in areas with little gun doe season. That's not too surprising. The overall numbers being that close to 2:1 does surprise me and makes me question it a little.

On our club the ratio is probably more like 1:1.5 or better after several years of good doe harvests and very selective buck harvests. I don't think that is reflective of the rest of our zone though.

What this doesn't tell is overall populations. I suspect over harvest in the CR area. What I can't understand is the tremendous drop in fawning there. Maybe that 2004-08 number is inflated but that is a huge drop.
I've suspected that as well.

The numbers were just a little better than I expected, but I knew there were no areas of the state at 1 to 5 or 6.
You're right it doesn't give the population, but I assume they're going with a million which I think is way high.
 

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I wonder how selective the clubs around ya'll are when the water gets up? :biggrin:
One side is pretty good, the other...not so much.:biggrin: :smack: That really is the limiting factor for anyone trying to improve their ratios,age structure.

Just part of it. When the deer aren't on ya you got no say in what the other guy does as long as it's legal.
 

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One side is pretty good, the other...not so much.:biggrin: :smack: That really is the limiting factor for anyone trying to improve their ratios,age structure.

Just part of it. When the deer aren't on ya you got no say in what the other guy does as long as it's legal.

All I know is the big deer started showing up from that part of the world after the bankers and your group started good management programs...........


That is why my Grant Co. deer are smaller.....they didn't come off your club :up:


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I know what you mean..... we hunt one place that has the potential to really grow some big deer (has produced 180's in the past) but 3 is the oldest deer we can get on camera or harvest......... heavy pressure.
 

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If the G&F belive the 2009 figures to be correct, why in the world are they having all the doe seasons that they are having? Their chart doesn't indicate the need, for the doe season structure that they have had in place for the last two years.
 

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If the G&F belive the 2009 figures to be correct, why in the world are they having all the doe seasons that they are having? Their chart doesn't indicate the need, for the doe season structure that they have had in place for the last two years.
Exactly! If their goal is simply balancing the b/d ratio I'd say the season structure from 09 would suffice. 5 and 6 doe limits like we've had the last 2 years are all about herd reduction.
 

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So they are saying, statewide there is 1 buck per 2.25 does. NOT. I know peeps from down south and I know they would disagree. I'm in the Delta, and I dang sure disagree with this. If g&f believe this we should see some changes in the buck limits and the doe limits. Keep us at one buck and one doe. Show me where anyone should kill 4 does according to that chart.

T, I was wondering why they didn't put your request on their fb page. I know now.
 

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The buck to doe ratio at my parent's house is probably um...let's say...1:6.
 

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So they are saying, statewide there is 1 buck per 2.25 does. NOT. I know peeps from down south and I know they would disagree. I'm in the Delta, and I dang sure disagree with this. If g&f believe this we should see some changes in the buck limits and the doe limits. Keep us at one buck and one doe. Show me where anyone should kill 4 does according to that chart.

T, I was wondering why they didn't put your request on their fb page. I know now.
:fit::fit:Did you see that disappear too?!!! I just thought I didn't know how to work the facebook deal!!:fit: They actually pm'd me these numbers!
 

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I would be very curious to know how they came up with these numbers .
I believe they all go to their private party pads and take turns reaching up each others hind ends until somebody pulls out a number for whatever they neeed a number for. How many days of mzl loading next year? Bend over Joe Bob!:fit:
 

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I strongly disagree w these numbers I see many many does with twins every year. I don't claim to be an expert I can only speak from my experience but i think the b to d ratio is more like 1 to 3-4 in ne ark. My trail cams are not scientific but I see way more does than bucks. Maybe the bucks are like bigfoot and they now how to stay out of trailcam pics.
 
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