My kids both shot them this year and I took their gun a couple of days and they shot very well. I shot a 20 for years before switching back to the 12 and they’re the best 20 ga. load I’ve ever shot including Hevi X. That being said my kids are getting bigger and now that everyone is jumping on the 20 ga. train, we’re jumping off and I’m buying them both 12’s because ammo is easier to get and cheaper.