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Deleted novel —I didn’t mean to publish?
Got on a roll ——-i apologize —again didn’t realize how long response was?

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I blew in contests```guided for privates and corporate timber duck resorts .
There were not 100’s of duck calls that cost 100s of dolllars.
I don’t understand this running thing u speak about?

Own acres of private as a farmer.. as do my friends ..
We hunt our own when can’t get 15-20 to chase em on public where enuff room for all of us vs small holes or rice fields 6 man pit?

TOO LAZY ANd ALL HAVE KIDS NOW SO JUST GO EASY ROUTE ——KIDS AND ANOTHER ADULT TO TEACH FUNDAMENTALS AND RESPECT….at the farm with the purpose of getting ducks close enuff to shoot even if means. Less killing ..

Like turkey hunting with a 270 rifle at 200 yards?
Where is the beauty in that vs watching the show ducks , turkeys like to do when left to do what and how nature really works vs 100 yard shots sky busting?


Hunted ducks everyday season was open from early 80s —to about 98 —— DUCK HUNTING WAS LIKe DOVE HUNTING! Needed lots of people. To make worth while and do some shooting vs just a few shots?——plus people who grew up on giant timber tracts and went Solely on water levels tomknow where dux would be at all xs.


Arkansas folks —- got stupid after mojos —-deer hunters became duck hunters without carrying a call. not many outta towners back then…too scared to come all this way to get skunked or too scared to venture very far due to lack of satellite images or ability to track yourself back out —- compass was literally useless to find trails , holes - direction other than north south east west….

NO INTERNET— NO Way to find your so called on the X spot? The X was the whole place— cuz sux where everywhere and responded to calls…..

Kids didn’t have parents to buy kids reliable equipment to go anywhere? One part of AR 100 miles to another much less several states away?

And why?////


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$ spend it elsewhere on something more enjoyable now and have success that’s sustainable -fun - no battles -cussing —rudeness.

Do the math ——- I’m not going to Michigan to go snow skiing?—- I’m going to aspen.

Not worth it?——go to where u get the most enjoyment and options without a circus.

why do people drive so far to come to,AR for a duck or two?

I understand going out west — only place to hunt large game?—-but you can hopefully kill 2-3 ducks at there like here I’d think?

A pic with a duck sent back to ur eastern USA friends like a trophy!?



It sux here like everywhere else now — xcept Canada and northern states —- dry fields — huge bag limits, no PRESSURE AND YOUNG DUMB DUX —-WITH ALL TAIL FEATHERS STILL IN TACT. NEVER SHOT AT YET

IF you didn’t have 2nd —3rd generation locals from east ar to teach u ropes —survival! It was Like naked and afraid.

NO ONE going deep in woods ———they didn’t leave WHERE you couldn’t see outside tree lines for fear U may never come out?—- no phones to call help,or even tell some one where u might possibly be —cuz u were lost! No referrances to name cuz u didn’t know names of holes -slews - all trails were not marked like now —no hwy signs in woods with pointers and directions ——only knowing and identifying certain leaning trees to go under and then take a left to next landmark.


NOW——-


If there were not signs like street maps posted for all trails— ur phone satellite / enabled back tracking —dropping pins when you find successful group with a pile of em . Not hanging by a foot in straps on trees —-just piles of dux floating in groups to keep up with massive amounts of numbers, —-no aimless scouting -to find people shooting vs going looking on your own ——multi Ramps etc didn’t exist. Or least they we’re not posterized —- u wouldn’t even try it! —
Everyone is Columbus now,— with gadgets.


\NO ONE HAD balls to take off into thousands and thousands of public timber —used to have exposure deaths —missing person alerts -with folks lost for days out with Arkansas outta towners and multi oosers every year —. That would be on news saying never coming back ! its why the 1 o’clock pm 4 am rule came out —- so they knew people lost when empty trailers at ramp!!!!!!!!!

Had search parties ALL THE TIME . Missing persons out of town including from AR trying on own chasing gun shot volleys `only to not find other hunters and or hear any more shots —— local people we’re out by 8”30 am max —
50 ducks or a full limit ?//—depending on numbers of hunters maybe 100 dux. No matter the limit
We left em alone vs ego at 830 am no matter what?

Get in get out —- do it again couple days later with non-shy dux!— kill em on water again.

the days when —- showing off 9 ducks with hanging heads off the front of boat?////. Those were thrown in bottom of boat cuz all laughed at u ?//. Lol U got up for that?////. ——Really only those showing em off -pics etc, on a Kodak at truck we’re left alone.

No picture phones so 8 dudes could pose with 7-8 birds send pics we found the X and sent around world?

Back to ur subject ————-Still confused?
You RUN a cut down?

I ran -run an x press boat — first series and three cylinder Suzuki—-still do to fish now?

But I never got to the hole RUNNING A ‘CUT DOWN’ ?///////. How do u start that backwards thing and let it run you somewhere?—-in reverse?
Where do you mount motor to run It —— is it another mechanical elec -unit —-like motorized gadgets only elec air just RUNs it when a mile hi duck flys over ?switch is turned on RUN ?////—— does it also have a find the “ X” switch?

Or is it simply like ‘ RUN FOREST RUN!’ —- when u r peppered with shot over and over —- 60 yds away from 20 people blowing duck calls and a jerk string and aiming at water level ur direction..>. U didn’t have to fight over distance to close!

I also make my own money — so i drive an unmolested 2023 4x4 truck $70k? Trade every two. Years. Vs jacked up to the sky $5000 -2010 model truck with 290 thousands miles on it …. which just means stay broken all the time due alterations
But ensures all know u are gangsta duck thug —no dux in back —but the signature clue calling card hoping and praying —-and funny if will make it there and back? Especially if u need to sleep in at ramp for days?


Those tired things smoking . I see broke down on side of hwy’’s but with 20k boats worth more than truck.at 5 am or pm ——Lol


At least ur $5000 holla boy lifted junk has another $5000 In wheels lifts and tires —$2000 dollar stereo and 1000 duck thug stickers everywhere -ur face paint still on all day to rep you are a real DUCK hunter eating at the bbq joint —-
Only to wake up with acne in am-with ur three buddies and maybe 4 ducks on tailgate for all to worship like you have a thirty point buck in the back?

PLACING your stringer of gadwalls on tailgate while broke down on the shoulder - where all passers can see?//‘—- AND THUMBS UP honkING horn —like you guys must be pro staff?

I’ll just stick with running a new truck — same boat -
Blowing an echo and old rich’ tone!``DUCK calling vs this running and cutting thing you speak now speak of??


That’s called turkey hunting —-look it up !
It’s an actual technique.
I will on;y run duck hunting if alligator around or snake in boat ?


But I’ll never use a blow tube to RUN Like I’m faster with it on —-u know like new shoes?

If i was running slower than guys in front — guess I’d try to put on and maybe RUN faster with THE cut thing?


Turn off tv —- go hunt things that don’t need a break —THAT are not tortured by lack of knowledge of Steel shot and 100 yard ranges —constant pressure and plain harassment to birds and other hunters —- calling vs RUNNIN —- decoys with no mechanics —-no pics on media? Outlaw on ALL public LAND THESE amphibious Airplanes landing in woods constantly -meaning
‘Mud motors”. Running off only ducks that may have found a bunker to land AND hide in?


SNOW GEESE !!! Great example ——those geese use to be all ducks ——a goose was a trophy-they we’re not around….no one chased em when they started getting outta control?
Water turkeys and geese have exploded,,,,,,

Let’s do it with ducks ——a two year break…

You would understand before long how it’s supposed to go down_—-and realizing — a few ducks are not worth anything ?///. Especially killing yourself and wasting hideous amounts $$$ to do so? 1 am ?

Wish they would shut duck and turkey season down a few years —— so u guys could come back and maybe experience landing 100s of ducks on the water? Vs ass shot off every 100 yards at 1000 mph just trying to find a peaceful place so they never consider coming back much less keeping a good portion of ducks on the old flyway —- AR hunting areas period.

Just my opinion —- whole world on same path of stupid something? Ruining and righteous about whatever it -is ?

But duck thugs are making sure dux don’t come here anymore - and those that do —can’t wait to never come this way again or find new route around it …


But mr runner —— graduate school—- use a real language vs the new duck gangsta verbiage -slang validating your for REAL and to prove you belong to your cult.

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if gonna hunt —- just go with someone old enuff —local enuff to teach u what duck hunting in AR really is?—or use to be … look at old real devolved film pics hanging on old walls —-what they are wearing - driving etc —and massive limits. No gadgets.


Like learning to fish with a bait vs snagging or electronic shocking and showing off?/

Hunting ducks was NEVER a bragging deal?
One cammo company — one maybe two wader manufactures—- not warm!—Remington guns.
No GPS— ALL ETIQIUTE -others helping others in trouble or who had never landed a pile in the Trees!
Show them how —-what it looks and sounds like -to back,away - no shooting others swingers- land the ducks.—-biggest thing is don’t don’t stay all day!

Now it’s like gangsta to kill a bird? It’s a bird?—a 2 pound bird?— that little bird is now smart enuff to even flare off of real dux?

NOT ROCKET SCIENCE !

Like deer —- keep a sanctuary. Kill just few mature ones and just enjoy observation and watch em grow -multiply and live on Your place in peace —start and maintain ur resource just like we need to cutt back on these ducks and re-establish our 1000 year old flyway -ducks using the rivers -timber as intended—

They don’t survive hanging where their ass stays on fire 24 -7 harassed!


Grow up ——stay off u tube - social media — phone etc,,,,,,gps —- go learn and advance -then pass it down.——

I vote a 2 year ban statewide —other states can route em back here to where safer? —-HERE again —like millions of snows are ……let ‘em see Arkansas is an okay place to winter in ……okay vs Vietnam duck war going on 25-30 years now?

But until people —all people -that want it to be great again and buy into biological stats -the rising costs -for a bad experience -nothing will ever change — except for hunters complaints every year more and more about how bad duck hunting is - no. Birds -but the wary ones doing their best to navigate the steel shot gauntlet that is —ARKANSAS-THE DUCK CAPITAL OF THE WORLD —( Lol) that ALL must travel here to kill a duck —like an African safari…to kill a Leopard.

Shut it down for a while ——if that means more enjoyment again in future ? it will disperse hunters elsewhere with a season for one thing —make people pause reflect -respect and remember what we had before — it was ruined. —-no season here would place others anywhere but here for the elusive trophy of seeing a quacking bird.—-

Change young guys intimidating old timers that new world duck order is here and they run it ——.don’t care about your thoughts on what’s right vs wrong But complain how bad it sux.-young guys just don’t get it?


How could they get it —- they never saw what it was?
Except on tv all filmed primarily on private timber clubs saying we did this on Arkansas public ?///

Public was better than private in most cases when rivers got right ——now EVERY YOU TUBER has to preface EVERY video of any success with PUBLIC LAND GREEN……


that know the value of the resource and manage that land and birds —all of it —-outdoor channel - you tube etc,,,,all of that just lured people to try their shot at it ——. Total MISLEADING propaganda for AR to reap economic value of seasons AND FOR DUCK HUNTERS TO BRAG ‘on public ——just like all the bow hunters do now as well…

Media and lack of parenting totally created the problems and circus we have now.. and will always have until drastic changes made —

Let’s even go back to the 100 point limit rules—- a mallard hen dead meant YOU + your limit dead —she is 100 points unload your gun. . Diff points for diff dux.
You will want to look up close what your shooting at vs Hail Mary at 100 ft high . Wind up hitting a red head and your daily limit done……
It worked —-longer splits and limit penalties meant over abundance of birds that hung around.

No MANY gonna buy all the toys and $ travel to mess up and only have one duck and done if wrong SPECIES OR SEX….IT WOULD SAVE every bird seen BEING shot AT —- AT LEAST..?


I’m out!

Lol wut…
 

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To the point of the thread, I posted a while back about a d2 I bought way back when I started hunting ducks.

I never got comfortable with it and it ended up in a box of unused junk.

There was a thread on here a year or so back about cut down calls (I’d never heard of such) and I dug around and found that Olt.

After some googling and you-tubing, I went to work on it. I’m pretty happy with how it turned out.

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It’s a plastic d2, bought new in the early ‘90s, so not the “real deal” so to speak, but I think it sounds good enough to have earned a place on my lanyard…

…right next to my ‘Ol Raspy from Duck Commander and an old bois d’arc Echo J-frame.
 

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Lol wut…
The man has good points. He speaks a lot of truth. I am almost 60. I don’t drive 4WD trucks or use lift kits and big tires. I learned those lessons years ago. I don’t drive where I cannot drive, that is what a four wheeler or your legs are for. When you do use the four wheeler, you don’t act like an idiot with it rutting up all of creation. In so doing, I get better gas mileage, spend less tires and less on maintenance. You’re not as cool, but the stress level is lower.

The only call we had growing up was an Olt. It’s all we knew. Back then, they were $6.50 a piece and you knew someone who could modify them. Once they were modified, you didn’t show everyone else. I quit blowing them a few years ago and went to the classic well known J Frames. What I have been doing for the last few years is replacing the cork and/or reed frequently, sometimes every other hunt. This year I have changed fhe cork several times and kinked two reeds, yes I push the reed all the way back to the end of the cork slot. The old Olts and the DJ call——-he worked at Olt for 27 years——-will go for two years without changing anything and they never change tone when you do change the cork and reed out. I got one of the Cut Downs out this year and it still works. It has a read and cork that is about five years old too.

Here is what the Mud Motor has done. It has eliminated the informal rest area and the feathered edge. Before the advent of the mud motor, any given hunting area had two types of rest areas——-government areas and areas a boat could not get to. Those informal areas did two things: One, they held Ducks in a given locale long term. Two, they enhanced daily hunting. Many if not most, do not understand that Ducks are already up around flying looking for places to go in the woods. Now in the pre-dawn timeframe you have what sounds like a Huey UH-1 Helicopter careening through the woods molesting Ducks looking for a place to her away from it all. That is bad enough in itself but people using a Mud Motor as a fire plow is even worse. They are destroying those informal rest areas——-we call em’ thickets or new growth. They are mowing down new growth hardwood———you know the stuff the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission is concerned about. On top of all this, parking a consanct Mud Motor right on top of the areas where Ducks want to hunt is selfish, it messeses up hunting for all other hunters within a reasonable distance. Ducks see those boats. I was mentored to motor in to an area, get your butt out of the boat and ease it into the area you were hunting, set your decoys and then go hide the boat well away, well away from the hole. When I say hide, I mean hide it like your life depends on it.

If you have been at this a while then you know Ducks come into those feathered edges when the water is new to get the new invetebrates, get the newly available paltable acorns and what not. Slipping in with a paddle or waders doesn’t bother them within reason but fire plowing in with something sounds like a gangsaw mill in a pine lumber production faciity does.

The feathered edges and informal rest areas hold Ducks. Ducks come into the edges and then work their way out into the woods. Ducks find shelter in the rest areas and that brings other Ducks to an area. All of this is disappearing and the worst is yet to come. When you bring up mud motors, you are laughed out of the room ——- especially by the people making their living in the Duck Hunting industry. The AGFC is is a world of it’s on and DU and Delta are now boot lickers. EVERYONE knows something is off with Arkansas Duck Hunting but NONE of the so-called authorities and leaders will speak up. It’s all about that moment of fame or ringing that cash register. If the Game and Fish is so concerned with Duck hunting, why are they allowing people to grind up new growth hardwood with a Mud Motor?

I started hunting at age five with my Father in South Arkansas by 7, I was on a Deer Stand by myself. I didn’t get serious about Duck hunting until the age of 32. Did I go out and chase the shot? No. I humbled myself and carried other men’s decoys, filled up their tractors with a diesel hand pump, paid for their food, paid for their gas, bought each one of them an Olt Keyhole when they got scarce and expensive and theirs broke, etc. I took what they taught me and kept it between myself and my sons. Dad was a registered forester, he taught us from when we were old enough to walk and listen——-how to use a map, how to use a serious compass. I have never owned a GPS outside of the one on my phone and it is used for driving with my job, not hunting. I don’t use On-X eirher. I go knock on doors and respect the land owner and let him know I will be in an area, look him in the eye and let him size me up.

As far as semantics go, I have always thought a Duck call either ran good or ran bad. It ran rough or ran smooth so I referred to blow it as running it. But I may need to reconsider that terminolgy. I will do and get right back go you. 😉

There is a lot of wisdom in your comments. When I go, just seeing Ducks work is a blessing. For that matter, being able to get up, dress myself and walk through the woods is a blessing. I don’t tree top. I never have. I never will. I would rather see a lot of Ducks, watch the sunrise, pray, reflect on my life and kill one Duck than to tree top a limit. I still enjoy it. I still love Arkansas Public Timber. If the day comes when I don’t. I will stop.
 

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To the point of the thread, I posted a while back about a d2 I bought way back when I started hunting ducks.

I never got comfortable with it and it ended up in a box of unused junk.

There was a thread on here a year or so back about cut down calls (I’d never heard of such) and I dug around and found that Olt.

After some googling and you-tubing, I went to work on it. I’m pretty happy with how it turned out.

View attachment 385219

It’s a plastic d2, bought new in the early ‘90s, so not the “real deal” so to speak, but I think it sounds good enough to have earned a place on my lanyard…

…right next to my ‘Ol Raspy from Duck Commander and an old bois d’arc Echo J-frame.
Put a crack ring on that barrel. It is the real deal. My late father ran, (blew), a new style D2. I have it somewhere. Kirk McCullough sells those crack rings on his website. That will keep that barrel from splitting.
 

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You don’t have to turn the barrel around backwards to get the sound.
The folks I started out with didn’t unless the right end wallowed out on the old hard rubber calls.
Agreed; but, if you turn it around and smooth off the edges, it lets me get my lips on it better. When I blow it the correct way, looks like someone hit me in the face while I was drinking a bottled coke.
 

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To the point of the thread, I posted a while back about a d2 I bought way back when I started hunting ducks.

I never got comfortable with it and it ended up in a box of unused junk.

There was a thread on here a year or so back about cut down calls (I’d never heard of such) and I dug around and found that Olt.

After some googling and you-tubing, I went to work on it. I’m pretty happy with how it turned out.

View attachment 385219

It’s a plastic d2, bought new in the early ‘90s, so not the “real deal” so to speak, but I think it sounds good enough to have earned a place on my lanyard…

…right next to my ‘Ol Raspy from Duck Commander and an old bois d’arc Echo J-frame.
To the point of the thread, I posted a while back about a d2 I bought way back when I started hunting ducks.

I never got comfortable with it and it ended up in a box of unused junk.

There was a thread on here a year or so back about cut down calls (I’d never heard of such) and I dug around and found that Olt.

After some googling and you-tubing, I went to work on it. I’m pretty happy with how it turned out.

View attachment 385219

It’s a plastic d2, bought new in the early ‘90s, so not the “real deal” so to speak, but I think it sounds good enough to have earned a place on my lanyard…

…right next to my ‘Ol Raspy from Duck Commander and an old bois d’arc Echo J-frame.
You wrote… “It’s a plastic d2… not the real deal”

Actually, the D2 Keyholes from the 80’s and 90’s had a plastic barrel, but the insert was still the original hard rubber. So it is the real deal, and actually can make a better cutdown than some of the old hard rubber barrels because those had a tendency to crack.

Hope this helps…

KM
 

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Here’s a tip for anyone running an old Olt…

If you are hunting with an old Olt keyhole, please take some electrical tape and tape around the barrel and then around the insert. As you know there is no good way to put the second lanyard loop on an Olt D2 insert.

My keyhole insert fell out hunting in some cattails and fortunately I was able to find it. I immediately went home and ran black tape around every one I own.

Might save someone some heartache!
 

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Here’s a tip for anyone running an old Olt…

If you are hunting with an old Olt keyhole, please take some electrical tape and tape around the barrel and then around the insert. As you know there is no good way to put the second lanyard loop on an Olt D2 insert.

My keyhole insert fell out hunting in some cattails and fortunately I was able to find it. I immediately went home and ran black tape around every one I own.

Might save someone some heartache!
Plus, it'll close up those air gaps in them old cheap OLTs
 

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Deleted novel —I didn’t mean to publish?
Got on a roll ——-i apologize —again didn’t realize how long response was?

I guess reading all of duck posts for years -and never once responding -came All out at once …


I deleted once realized just how long It was?

Out of y’all’s way now -again.

Be kind to all?
You had a lot of stuff in there folks need to hear. Some of us do this because we love it——not to get likes or advertiser money. More people than not have NO idea what they are talking about when it comes to Duck hunting yet they get booths at the Delta Waterfowl shindig or the DU Lollapalooza. Major people like Benelli sponsor nimrods that don’t know their heads from a hole the ground. Then you have the hands that come over here on a guided hunt and then put “ How to “ content on YouTube…😆
 

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You wrote… “It’s a plastic d2… not the real deal”

Actually, the D2 Keyholes from the 80’s and 90’s had a plastic barrel, but the insert was still the original hard rubber. So it is the real deal, and actually can make a better cutdown than some of the old hard rubber barrels because those had a tendency to crack.

Hope this helps…

KM
All mine where before they put D2 on the barrel and they did crack and did not put the plug in backwards. Most went from black back to the natural brown color too. I kept one for Old Time’s sake.
 
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