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All my Modifed Olt Key Holes cracked——either the barrel or the plug. Bought this from a guy who worked for Olt for decades years ago. Got it out recently. Starting to like it again. What is sold as a Cut Down today is nothing like the old hard rubber tonal plug calls we ran. There is no hold, ring or rattle in an old Olt. What you put in is what comes out. The reeds are/were .014 thick and will last a long time. All the tunning was in the cut on the tone board ——- no reed trimming whatsoever. Once it is cut right, it never changes tone or sound—-just pop in a new reed when the cork dies or the reed splits on the end. The real deal had a molded ABS plastic barrel or horse hoof-derived hard rubber barrel——no wood, no hard cast acrylic. The sound is gruff; not crisp like an acrylic call. The thick reed is part of what makes the call. The tone board has to be hard rubber, not wood, not acrylic.
 

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FWIW, the old molds Olt used to make the call barrel and insert from the 1900’s was never replaced. They just kept building them up—-thus the reason for so much inconsistency from call to call. You could buy 10 and two might make good calls. They were $6.50 a piece when I was 10 or 11 years old. I still have barrels and ruined inserts.
 

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I have to re-calibrate my air to run this monster. There wasn’t any putting a .10 mil reed in or tweaking this or that back in the day. Our ring leader had a cut similar to the LA cut but even more. You could either run one or not. You have to push it or stay on top of the call whether you blow it loud or soft. The chatter is loud and gruff. I can’t explain it. They are very loud but they don’t ring at all.

The guy who introduced me to the Olt sat out in the woods on private ground next to Cut-Off creek in February in the 1970’s with an old cassette recorder with the old external microphone and taped the vocalizations of thousands of Ducks. Then he went back to his shop and would listen then work on the call and repeat until he got it just right.

The North Louisiana boys used to say it took so much air to run an Olt that you got dizzy enough to see Blue Monkeys dart across the sky. They called it a case of the “ Blue Monkeys “.
 

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I never understood the reason to cut them tone boards and such so short. Too much air and then put the insert in the wrong end...d2
I don’t run the ones with the end of the plug lopped off. The thick end of the old horse hoof rubber barrels would wallow out and they would put the plug in bassakwards. I think the lopped off plugs was handed down tradition.
 

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I get the shoe box out occassionally like I did today and go down memory lane but I like running something like a Daisy Cutter or a Lares T-1. Smooth and easy to operates. Love the history and lore of the old modified Olts.
 

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Well I got it out again and got to doing the “ waaaaaaaaank - waaaaaaaaank - waaaaaaaaank “ quack a Hen makes when she is calling her Drake on the water, the Loud Chatter and the three to seven note, simple, loud barks. Amazing how it comes back. I put it in my hunting coat. 🤠

The first time I hunted around one was with a man named Steve Richardson in the Ouachita River Bottoms in Bradley County. His repretoire was very simple. He WAILED at them with three to five note cadences, Chattered LOUD and HARD and then just shut it down as they started coming in. I watched him put 20, 40 and 50+ groups or more on the water——-one caller. It sent chills down our spines. The pause in calling before they came in just magnified the emotions. You heard everything the Ducks did instead of hearing some pinhead showing out showing us how soft he could run a call.

I hunted some down there with another man named Melvin Mills. Same deal————Olt cut down, very simple routine, very loud ——-one caller ——-and he let the Ducks work in once they were coming. I have seen him put 100 Ducks in the decoys. Magnificent experience.

What I hear today sold as a cut down is nothing like what I learned about as a young man. Very little hand manipulation on the call but a lot hot air and intense muscle control in the mouth, throat and diaphragm regions. Loud and gruff but smooth. Again, a hilariously simple routine from a $20.00 piece of molded, black abs plastic and a short, narrow, modified hard rubber tonal plug with a key hole from the mold pin.
 

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A couple of years ago I was strolling through a flea market in Gassville looking for any older, hard to find, duck calls. Luck would have it and they had an old PS Olt for sale in cabinet for $50. At first I was like, that's awfully high, but the more I thought about it, the more it peaked my interest so I bought it.

I had no idea how old this thing was but I knew that it was old. Through a mutual friend I came in contact with DJ. Sent him some pics of the call and he estimated it to be around 60-70 years old.

Still have the call to this day. Haven't cut it, heck haven't hardly taken it apart.
On the really old ones, sometimes a new white reed is all they need. Soak the old insert in water to get the cork out so it doesn’t break. That cork will last forever. It will sound bad at first bur then it expands with saliva and the call sounds good. If you do this the insert will probably go back to it’s natural color if you just want it for a collector’s item. The same is true for the old 1950’s era calls that came in the red, black and white “ Lucky 13 “ boxes with the red stenciled clear plastic top.
 

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A couple of years ago I was strolling through a flea market in Gassville looking for any older, hard to find, duck calls. Luck would have it and they had an old PS Olt for sale in cabinet for $50. At first I was like, that's awfully high, but the more I thought about it, the more it peaked my interest so I bought it.

I had no idea how old this thing was but I knew that it was old. Through a mutual friend I came in contact with DJ. Sent him some pics of the call and he estimated it to be around 60-70 years old.

Still have the call to this day. Haven't cut it, heck haven't hardly taken it apart.
Don’t put the plug in backwards without a crack ring Kirk McCullough sells. Those old barrels will crack.

David Jackson is making his plugs from hard rubber from the same compound Olt used before 1941. He has the old Olt die cutter to make the reeds and the old Olt grinder to contour the tone board. He also offers an acrylic barrel now. I want to be as close to the original as I can so I stay with the old plastic molded barrel. I like Kirks molded plastic calls too. Both men will do anything to help you. Kirk used to modify David’s calls. I bought two of them. They are on the money.
 

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It is not that a cut down is harder to blow. The air presentation is different. What you put in is what you get out. I like the way Kirk presents his air. He does use his hand but it is more to refine or tweak the notes. The pressure is already built when it hits the tone plug. I see some building that pressure by holding the hand closed when they use a cut down. It takes away from the smoothness of the call.

If you listen to a Duck, their cadence doesn’t have any ring to it. It’s clean in a way but it’s gruff——-a chortle maybe? I don’t think it’s the pitch of a cutdown. I think it’s the notes coming out of the call. I have seen both high pitched and low pitched cutdowns do wonders in the right hands.

I go back to my early days of Duck hunting. There is something about the sound of those old calls with hard rubber tonal plugs and ABS Plastic or Hard rubber barrels versus wood or machined acrylic. The molded calls are not as sharp. They are gruff like an old Hen Mallard.

The other deal is not having to cut or dog ear the reed. You just popped on an old, .014 reed in and the sound never changed once the cut was right. The reeds last forever. I can wear out a .010 reed and cork in a J Frame after two or three hunts.
 

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Lol wut…
The man has good points. He speaks a lot of truth. I am almost 60. I don’t drive 4WD trucks or use lift kits and big tires. I learned those lessons years ago. I don’t drive where I cannot drive, that is what a four wheeler or your legs are for. When you do use the four wheeler, you don’t act like an idiot with it rutting up all of creation. In so doing, I get better gas mileage, spend less tires and less on maintenance. You’re not as cool, but the stress level is lower.

The only call we had growing up was an Olt. It’s all we knew. Back then, they were $6.50 a piece and you knew someone who could modify them. Once they were modified, you didn’t show everyone else. I quit blowing them a few years ago and went to the classic well known J Frames. What I have been doing for the last few years is replacing the cork and/or reed frequently, sometimes every other hunt. This year I have changed fhe cork several times and kinked two reeds, yes I push the reed all the way back to the end of the cork slot. The old Olts and the DJ call——-he worked at Olt for 27 years——-will go for two years without changing anything and they never change tone when you do change the cork and reed out. I got one of the Cut Downs out this year and it still works. It has a read and cork that is about five years old too.

Here is what the Mud Motor has done. It has eliminated the informal rest area and the feathered edge. Before the advent of the mud motor, any given hunting area had two types of rest areas——-government areas and areas a boat could not get to. Those informal areas did two things: One, they held Ducks in a given locale long term. Two, they enhanced daily hunting. Many if not most, do not understand that Ducks are already up around flying looking for places to go in the woods. Now in the pre-dawn timeframe you have what sounds like a Huey UH-1 Helicopter careening through the woods molesting Ducks looking for a place to her away from it all. That is bad enough in itself but people using a Mud Motor as a fire plow is even worse. They are destroying those informal rest areas——-we call em’ thickets or new growth. They are mowing down new growth hardwood———you know the stuff the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission is concerned about. On top of all this, parking a consanct Mud Motor right on top of the areas where Ducks want to hunt is selfish, it messeses up hunting for all other hunters within a reasonable distance. Ducks see those boats. I was mentored to motor in to an area, get your butt out of the boat and ease it into the area you were hunting, set your decoys and then go hide the boat well away, well away from the hole. When I say hide, I mean hide it like your life depends on it.

If you have been at this a while then you know Ducks come into those feathered edges when the water is new to get the new invetebrates, get the newly available paltable acorns and what not. Slipping in with a paddle or waders doesn’t bother them within reason but fire plowing in with something sounds like a gangsaw mill in a pine lumber production faciity does.

The feathered edges and informal rest areas hold Ducks. Ducks come into the edges and then work their way out into the woods. Ducks find shelter in the rest areas and that brings other Ducks to an area. All of this is disappearing and the worst is yet to come. When you bring up mud motors, you are laughed out of the room ——- especially by the people making their living in the Duck Hunting industry. The AGFC is is a world of it’s on and DU and Delta are now boot lickers. EVERYONE knows something is off with Arkansas Duck Hunting but NONE of the so-called authorities and leaders will speak up. It’s all about that moment of fame or ringing that cash register. If the Game and Fish is so concerned with Duck hunting, why are they allowing people to grind up new growth hardwood with a Mud Motor?

I started hunting at age five with my Father in South Arkansas by 7, I was on a Deer Stand by myself. I didn’t get serious about Duck hunting until the age of 32. Did I go out and chase the shot? No. I humbled myself and carried other men’s decoys, filled up their tractors with a diesel hand pump, paid for their food, paid for their gas, bought each one of them an Olt Keyhole when they got scarce and expensive and theirs broke, etc. I took what they taught me and kept it between myself and my sons. Dad was a registered forester, he taught us from when we were old enough to walk and listen——-how to use a map, how to use a serious compass. I have never owned a GPS outside of the one on my phone and it is used for driving with my job, not hunting. I don’t use On-X eirher. I go knock on doors and respect the land owner and let him know I will be in an area, look him in the eye and let him size me up.

As far as semantics go, I have always thought a Duck call either ran good or ran bad. It ran rough or ran smooth so I referred to blow it as running it. But I may need to reconsider that terminolgy. I will do and get right back go you. 😉

There is a lot of wisdom in your comments. When I go, just seeing Ducks work is a blessing. For that matter, being able to get up, dress myself and walk through the woods is a blessing. I don’t tree top. I never have. I never will. I would rather see a lot of Ducks, watch the sunrise, pray, reflect on my life and kill one Duck than to tree top a limit. I still enjoy it. I still love Arkansas Public Timber. If the day comes when I don’t. I will stop.
 

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To the point of the thread, I posted a while back about a d2 I bought way back when I started hunting ducks.

I never got comfortable with it and it ended up in a box of unused junk.

There was a thread on here a year or so back about cut down calls (I’d never heard of such) and I dug around and found that Olt.

After some googling and you-tubing, I went to work on it. I’m pretty happy with how it turned out.

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It’s a plastic d2, bought new in the early ‘90s, so not the “real deal” so to speak, but I think it sounds good enough to have earned a place on my lanyard…

…right next to my ‘Ol Raspy from Duck Commander and an old bois d’arc Echo J-frame.
Put a crack ring on that barrel. It is the real deal. My late father ran, (blew), a new style D2. I have it somewhere. Kirk McCullough sells those crack rings on his website. That will keep that barrel from splitting.
 

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Deleted novel —I didn’t mean to publish?
Got on a roll ——-i apologize —again didn’t realize how long response was?

I guess reading all of duck posts for years -and never once responding -came All out at once …


I deleted once realized just how long It was?

Out of y’all’s way now -again.

Be kind to all?
You had a lot of stuff in there folks need to hear. Some of us do this because we love it——not to get likes or advertiser money. More people than not have NO idea what they are talking about when it comes to Duck hunting yet they get booths at the Delta Waterfowl shindig or the DU Lollapalooza. Major people like Benelli sponsor nimrods that don’t know their heads from a hole the ground. Then you have the hands that come over here on a guided hunt and then put “ How to “ content on YouTube…😆
 

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You wrote… “It’s a plastic d2… not the real deal”

Actually, the D2 Keyholes from the 80’s and 90’s had a plastic barrel, but the insert was still the original hard rubber. So it is the real deal, and actually can make a better cutdown than some of the old hard rubber barrels because those had a tendency to crack.

Hope this helps…

KM
All mine where before they put D2 on the barrel and they did crack and did not put the plug in backwards. Most went from black back to the natural brown color too. I kept one for Old Time’s sake.
 
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