I killed my buck this year on a permit hunt that was shotgun slug or muzzleloader only. I opted with a shotgun for the multiple shots/no smoke. Bought the Remington Sluggers at Walmart, put a scope on my 870 Super Magnum shotgun with a modified choke in it, and sighted it in about 5 inches high at 50 yards. Dropped my buck in his tracks at 127 yards. Shot thru both shoulders and bullet was under skin in offside shoulder. So my experience has been good...with the exception of that thing kicking the taste out of my mouth and scope slapping me a good one lol.