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    I don't know if this has been addressed or not but when I searched the threads I couldn't find any answers regarding my question.

    1. Are fully automatic weapons legal to use while deer hunting in Arkansas? I could not find any laws or rules within the handbook that would imply they are illegal but our firearm guidelines are somewhat vague.

    2. If they are legal does anybody actually use them or know anyone that does? I couldn't imagine the damage it would inflict on a deer or the safety of fellow hunters but I do think it would be a useful tool in certain deer driving situations.

    3. If you or someone you know uses them what are/were the results/outcomes of the use of such weapon while deer hunting.

    4. I do not own a fully automatic weapon or intend to use one, I only noticed there are no obvious laws against it and it got me to thinking which lead to these questions.


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    Illegal. It's in the big book we don't get to see. U think that little pamphlet at walmart is all the rules? Not hardly

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    that's a pretty big deal, if it were really against the law it should be in the book distributed to the public

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    1 - Yes they are legal. Fudds will tell you they are not legal but the only restrictions for deer are ammo (no FMJ), caliber (.22 or larger), type of firearm (shotgun only Zones) and barrel length (in handguns). Fudds will tell you that there are magazine restrictions in Arkansas (there are no mag restrictions). Fudds will also tell you that suppressors are illegal to hunt with but they aren't.

    2 - Yes, I know a couple of people that hunt with M16's.

    3 - Out come is a dead deer if they get a shot. They put them on semi-auto and fire one shot per trigger pull just like you do with a standard AR15 or any other semi-auto rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green_head_getter View Post
    Illegal. It's in the big book we don't get to see. U think that little pamphlet at walmart is all the rules? Not hardly

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    Just for reference, here's the wording on prohibited firearms copied directly out of the "big book" as you call it, also known as the "Arkansas State Game and Fish Commission Code Book".

    CERTAIN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION PROHIBITED DURING MODERN GUN
    DEER SEASONS
    10-12 (A) It is unlawful to hunt deer during statewide modern gun deer seasons with:
    • Prohibited muzzleloading firearms (Code 06.03);
    • Any .410 shotguns using ammunition other than slugs;
    • Any shotguns using shot smaller than No. 4 buckshot;
    • Handguns having barrels shorter than 4 inches using conventional
    straight-wall cased handgun calibers less than .357 caliber or
    bottleneck-case handgun calibers less than .22 caliber;
    • Rifles and handguns using rimfire cartridges in compliance with Code
    06.11;
    • Any centerfire rifle or handgun smaller than .22 caliber.
    (B) It also is unlawful for any person to hunt deer during modern gun deer seasons in
    Deer Zones 4, 4B, 5, 5B with any firearms other than the following:
    • Shotguns (.410 or larger) with slugs only;
    • Legal muzzleloading long guns (Code 06.03); • Handguns having barrels between 4 and 10 inches in length and
    chambered specifically for straight-wall centerfire cartridge cases and
    hunting with lead and, lead alloy, soft-nose and/or hollow-point bullets
    no less than .30 caliber.

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    Handguns having barrels between 4 and 10 inches in length and chambered specifically for straight-wall centerfire cartridge cases and
    hunting with lead and, lead alloy, soft-nose and/or hollow-point bullets no less than .30 caliber.

    I have lost count of how many times I've been told I can't hunt with my pistol in Zone 4. I don't even argue anymore just smile and go on.

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    Where can one of these "big books" be found?
    Seems like it would be a useful resource.


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    Thanks!

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    Not to mention what all you have to have and do to own a full auto weapon...legally that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chitlin View Post
    1 - Yes they are legal. Fudds will tell you they are not legal but the only restrictions for deer are ammo (no FMJ), caliber (.22 or larger), type of firearm (shotgun only Zones) and barrel length (in handguns). Fudds will tell you that there are magazine restrictions in Arkansas (there are no mag restrictions). Fudds will also tell you that suppressors are illegal to hunt with but they aren't.

    2 - Yes, I know a couple of people that hunt with M16's.

    3 - Out come is a dead deer if they get a shot. They put them on semi-auto and fire one shot per trigger pull just like you do with a standard AR15 or any other semi-auto rifle.
    I always heard silencers were illegal to hunt with and then I saw guns and ammo tv and they were talkin bout what states allowed silencers for hunting. Arkansas was not.one of.those states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chitlin View Post
    Just for reference, here's the wording on prohibited firearms copied directly out of the "big book" as you call it, also known as the "Arkansas State Game and Fish Commission Code Book".
    Guess I may be wrong on that one. Just always heard u couldnt and heard u couldnt use supressors. Never really looked it up but assumed it was in the "big book" I call it this because I have had it whipped out on me before. And let me tell u...it is a "big book" and not even in that book could he prove that turkey hunting was prohibited on that rest area

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    Quote Originally Posted by green_head_getter View Post
    I always heard silencers were illegal to hunt with and then I saw guns and ammo tv and they were talkin bout what states allowed silencers for hunting. Arkansas was not.one of.those states.

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    I'll give you a friendly word of advice... Don't depend on Guns and Ammo TV for info on federal or state gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chitlin View Post
    I'll give you a friendly word of advice... Don't depend on Guns and Ammo TV for info on federal or state gun laws.
    WORD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chitlin View Post
    I'll give you a friendly word of advice... Don't depend on Guns and Ammo TV for info on federal or state gun laws.
    So you are saying guns and ammo tv won't stand up as legal precedent in a court of law? I learn something new on this forum every day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chitlin View Post
    I'll give you a friendly word of advice... Don't depend on Guns and Ammo TV for info on federal or state gun laws.
    Never said I was but who hunts with a supressor anyway. Just made me think theres probably a reason for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green_head_getter View Post
    Never said I was but who hunts with a supressor anyway. Just made me think theres probably a reason for that.

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    There are only 2 reasons why anybody would hunt with a supressor.....1) They are where they shouldn't be, and 2) They are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green_head_getter View Post
    Never said I was but who hunts with a supressor anyway. Just made me think theres probably a reason for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinner97 View Post
    There are only 2 reasons why anybody would hunt with a supressor.....1) They are where they shouldn't be, and 2) They are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
    So much fail in these 2 posts. It's pathetic to think you are gun owners and consider someone that owns and hunts with a 100% legal device as only doing something illegal.

    Do you consider all bowhunters as poachers? They must be doing something illegal since they are choosing to hunt with a device that makes no noise.

    Looks like GHG has been called out by Mr C for making his original incorrect statement in post #2 and is now trying to save face by insulting an entire group of class 3 owners that takes the time and expense to jump through the loops to own a class 3 item.

    There's an old saying that sometimes it's better to keep quiet and let people think you are a fool rather than to speak up and remove all doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinner97 View Post
    There are only 2 reasons why anybody would hunt with a supressor.....1) They are where they shouldn't be, and 2) They are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
    Another reason may be because you kind of want to save your hearing.

    I use one and my wife uses one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinner97 View Post
    There are only 2 reasons why anybody would hunt with a supressor.....1) They are where they shouldn't be, and 2) They are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

    Uhm....I would love to hunt with a suppressor for the fact that it suppresses noise, i dont know how much noise they reduce but i would figure they were less likely spook game and no ringing ear's after a shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cam View Post
    So much fail in these 2 posts. It's pathetic to think you are gun owners and consider someone that owns and hunts with a 100% legal device as only doing something illegal.

    Do you consider all bowhunters as poachers? They must be doing something illegal since they are choosing to hunt with a device that makes no noise.

    Looks like GHG has been called out by Mr C for making his original incorrect statement in post #2 and is now trying to save face by insulting an entire group of class 3 owners that takes the time and expense to jump through the loops to own a class 3 item.

    There's an old saying that sometimes it's better to keep quiet and let people think you are a fool rather than to speak up and remove all doubt.
    I think you missed my point. Thanks for playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtonS View Post
    Uhm....I would love to hunt with a suppressor for the fact that it suppresses noise, i dont know how much noise they reduce but i would figure they were less likely spook game and no ringing ear's after a shot
    I am aware there are reasons why someone would use it other than what I suggested. I was sensationalizing a little. Why does everybody take everything so personal.

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    Maybe because you insulted an entire group of class 3 owners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cam View Post
    Maybe because you insulted an entire group of class 3 owners.


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    LOL, I was being a smart A, and didn't intend on what I typed offending anybody or being taken literally. I didn't say that class 3 owners are criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cam View Post
    So much fail in these 2 posts. It's pathetic to think you are gun owners and consider someone that owns and hunts with a 100% legal device as only doing something illegal.

    Do you consider all bowhunters as poachers? They must be doing something illegal since they are choosing to hunt with a device that makes no noise.

    Looks like GHG has been called out by Mr C for making his original incorrect statement in post #2 and is now trying to save face by insulting an entire group of class 3 owners that takes the time and expense to jump through the loops to own a class 3 item.

    There's an old saying that sometimes it's better to keep quiet and let people think you are a fool rather than to speak up and remove all doubt.
    How did I insult anyone? I said who hunts with a silencer anyway? That was a question. Im sure some people do but I dont and dont know anyone that does. that law doesnt really apply to me so I apologize if I dont know it. Always heard you couldnt. Know a class 3 owner that shoots squirells with his and he always said dont get caught tho. Then saw on guns and ammo tv that u couldnt I apologize if I made an assumption off of the information I was given. If you were insulted by my second post...then buddy. U have many more problems in ur life than me. Geez always butt hurt folks on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinner97 View Post
    I am aware there are reasons why someone would use it other than what I suggested. I was sensationalizing a little. Why does everybody take everything so personal.
    Eggggzactly......I probably just insulted a literacy teacher with that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinner97 View Post
    LOL, I was being a smart A, and didn't intend on what I typed offending anybody or being taken literally. I didn't say that class 3 owners are criminals.
    Maybe you could try a different font for sarcasm. Arial just doesn't get the point across like, maybe, Comic Sans MS.

    And if you don't want it taken personally, don't make it personal. Those class III guys can get a little edgy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinner97 View Post
    There are only 2 reasons why anybody would hunt with a supressor.....1) They are where they shouldn't be, and 2) They are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
    You sir do not know what you are letting out of your mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinner97 View Post
    There are only 2 reasons why anybody would hunt with a supressor.....1) They are where they shouldn't be, and 2) They are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
    You're words are extremely incorrect and you obviously have some blinders on. I know at least 20 people who LEGALLY hog hunt with suppressors. Class 3 owners are the type to follow the law to the T. There are a lot of hoops to jump through to get suppressors and it isn't worth going to a federal prison when you break the law while using one.

    I hunt hogs with short barrelled rifles, suppressors, night vision, and thermal imaging. I'm never in a place I shouldn't be and always follow the law. I use these things because it greatly aids me in eradication on farms. Hogs cause millions of dollars of damage to crops and land each year and these things are tools to aid in the process. If you are unfamiliar with this stuff get on YouTube and search for T-Bone Outfitters, Lonestar Boars, or Jagger Pro.

    In England suppressors are sold more easily than a firearm. You are considered rude if you don't use one while hunting or shooting. I will end by asking you to broaden you horizons by doing some research and talking to actual class 3 owners. Ignorance is a terrible thing that leads to lies and misconceptions.

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    Afalex/Dual.....it was a joke guys, I was using sarcasm. Quit being so defensive.


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