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    Actually, "Yellow Jack" which is one of the original Kemmer foundation dogs, was a pretty small dog. He was the sire of "Little jack", which was in turn, a foundation dog of the "Kemmer Hybrid" AKA "Cajun squirrel dog". But it is correct that most of the foundation dogs were indeed bigger. Kemmer, Calvin Boute, Jodie Mullens and Jimono Thompson all started in 1980s to breed their dogs back and forth. Kemmer actually liked the idea of producing a miniature looking Kemmer cur, mainly for squirrels. And many of these, like Little Jack, Thomspon's Cricket and others were as good as could be found for bushy tails. One of the offspring also went to noted Plott breeder, Dan Murphy, He and Kemmer then got to together and began seriously breeding Kemmers with select Mullen's Feists. This began the Kemmer hybrid strain in full force. Kemmer grew tired of this venture, and went back to Curs. But down in Louisiana and in Tenn. The hybrids took off. Most of them have Gold Nugget, Yellow Jack and Target blood running all through them. Many others like Roy Pennell of Illinois, who now has all of Dale Martin's Dogs...Mountain View Curs, also experimented with Kemmers and Mullens crossings. Roy's Prize dog "Boy" is a Kemmer/Mullens hybrid. It is a great dog and will tree anything that would climb a tree. And upon seeing Boy, you would think it is the perfect Yellow Kemmer, save for the fact that it is on the SMALL side!

    J. Engish is thus right about that historic Feist/cur mix and these "small curs". In truth they are indeed hybrids. But These little dogs ARE wonderful animals and will tree both coons and squirrels with the best of them. And today they are often being traded as "little kemmers". They are...sort of. But they should actually be traded as "Kemmer Hybrids", which is in fact what they are. Yellow jack was pure Kemmer all the way, but he was, as noted on the small side, and it was indeed the select breeding by Kemmer, Mullens, Boute, Thompson, and Pennell, as well as so many "back yard breeders" that diminished the size of today's so called curs. But that does not mean that they are not good dogs, they can be GREAT dogs. I just would not hunt Bear with them! And they are, and they should be seen, and bought, and sold as "Hybrids". Cause the plain fact is; that is what they are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by angus View Post
    Actually, "Yellow Jack" which is one of the original Kemmer foundation dogs, was a pretty small dog. He was the sire of "Little jack", which was in turn, a foundation dog of the "Kemmer Hybrid" AKA "Cajun squirrel dog". But it is correct that most of the foundation dogs were indeed bigger. Kemmer, Calvin Boute, Jodie Mullens and Jimono Thompson all started in 1980s to breed their dogs back and forth. Kemmer actually liked the idea of producing a miniature looking Kemmer cur, mainly for squirrels. And many of these, like Little Jack, Thomspon's Cricket and others were as good as could be found for bushy tails. One of the offspring also went to noted Plott breeder, Dan Murphy, He and Kemmer then got to together and began seriously breeding Kemmers with select Mullen's Feists. This began the Kemmer hybrid strain in full force. Kemmer grew tired of this venture, and went back to Curs. But down in Louisiana and in Tenn. The hybrids took off. Most of them have Gold Nugget, Yellow Jack and Target blood running all through them. Many others like Roy Pennell of Illinois, who now has all of Dale Martin's Dogs...Mountain View Curs, also experimented with Kemmers and Mullens crossings. Roy's Prize dog "Boy" is a Kemmer/Mullens hybrid. It is a great dog and will tree anything that would climb a tree. And upon seeing Boy, you would think it is the perfect Yellow Kemmer, save for the fact that it is on the SMALL side!

    J. Engish is thus right about that historic Feist/cur mix and these "small curs". In truth they are indeed hybrids. But These little dogs ARE wonderful animals and will tree both coons and squirrels with the best of them. And today they are often being traded as "little kemmers". They are...sort of. But they should actually be traded as "Kemmer Hybrids", which is in fact what they are. Yellow jack was pure Kemmer all the way, but he was, as noted on the small side, and it was indeed the select breeding by Kemmer, Mullens, Boute, Thompson, and Pennell, as well as so many "back yard breeders" that diminished the size of today's so called curs. But that does not mean that they are not good dogs, they can be GREAT dogs. I just would not hunt Bear with them! And they are, and they should be seen, and bought, and sold as "Hybrids". Cause the plain fact is; that is what they are.
    angus,
    I think you and j english are talking about two different things. I understand completely about the kemmer hybrids and know Calvin Boutte personally. He's saying that the omcba dogs of today are smaller than the 200 foundation dogs and the kemmers have kelp their size through the years which is absolutely bull crap. If you go back and read his previous post, he is saying that the omcba dogs of today are crossed with feist which made them smaller. My Busher bred male is bigger than most of the old style omc dogs. Maybe j english has some those crosses that kemmer bred with those plotts that you was talking about....


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    Great lookin dog .Didnt know there was that much Busher blood left .what dogs is he out of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-man View Post
    j. english,
    Here's my dog Bear. 7/8 Old foundation Busher stock and would put him up aganist any coondog out there. He's 57 pounds and as gritty a dog as you will ever be around. I come to Arkansas alot and would be more than happy to show you a real coondog.
    Great lookin dog what is he out of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston Brannon View Post
    Great lookin dog what is he out of
    Briar Mt. Bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-man View Post
    Briar Mt. Bud
    I got a Busher gyp 15/16 Nickleson bottom side Nice dog. I'm going to breed her to Bud in Jan. should be some good pups.

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    Here's my 1st one just got him on Friday. Buddy aka Bud reg. OMC from Harris Mtn Curs near Vilonia.

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    NICE! he'll be your buddy for a long time!

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    My favorite things about curs asside from everything else, are their ears. LOOK AT THEM EARS!!! Nice dog! Now then, focus on bonding, one of the most important things a cur owner can do is to bond with the pup. Then, focus on obedience and socialization. Later on, woods time will take care of the rest of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill warren View Post
    I got a Busher gyp 15/16 Nickleson bottom side Nice dog. I'm going to breed her to Bud in Jan. should be some good pups.
    Yes sir,
    That should be some nice ones for sure. Bud is a proven reproducer and he's getting old too. Folks needs to breed to him while they can, if they wanting some good busher pups. Oh yeah, and i just might be intrested in a pup out of that cross......

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    Hey T-man; seein' as how you are from Louisiana, and Know Calvin Boutte, I was was wondering, do you know Charles Fasola? If so, and, if you do not mind, what is your opinion of his dogs? I have been thinking of trying to get another pup. I know nothing about him other than reading his Blog and forum posts, but he does seem like, from what he has written, to be a good person who is also very passionate about the Kemmer stock dogs. Any insight would be appreciated.

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    dogs

    i aint tman but charles is a good man & produces great kemmers & hybrids man down from me has 1 from him he is a great coon dog 60 lbs buttermilk kemmer o & the streak bloodline wasn't around n 57 its came about later on magically & all of a sudden started producing curs that were small & had more ear control not a true mtn cur trait also reg. dogs omcba & kemmer is because 25% or less is the bad blood & 75% or more is the good blood witch if ur dogs fall in that range yes they could still have omc paper

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    note i said great coon dog but he isnt a consistant dog some times he has coon some times he dont but hes sounds good on the tree backing mine he is only 14 months old this will be his first winter but hes doing good 4 his age i think. charles will shoot u straight & will help u any way he can. but thers alot of kemmer guys that will tell u straight as they can. charles & kemmer b o d's has also taken green papered kemmers & magically turned em n2 white papered kemmer dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by angus View Post
    Hey T-man; seein' as how you are from Louisiana, and Know Calvin Boutte, I was was wondering, do you know Charles Fasola? If so, and, if you do not mind, what is your opinion of his dogs? I have been thinking of trying to get another pup. I know nothing about him other than reading his Blog and forum posts, but he does seem like, from what he has written, to be a good person who is also very passionate about the Kemmer stock dogs. Any insight would be appreciated.
    angus,
    I've heard of him, but never met him personaly. I really don't know about his dogs, other than he does raises kemmers and kemmer hybrids.

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    [IMG]http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd488/prestonbrannon/20011358.jpg[/IMG] Trying to post a pic
    Last edited by Preston Brannon; 10-13-2011 at 04:29 PM.

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    This is Brannons Hoppie 63lbs in hunting shape. The pic above is Brannons Legs 70lbs


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