Just Some Thoughts...

[Hammer]

I notice a lot of talk from individuals and groups from different areas about having meetings, discussing dues, decals and caps etc.

All this is well and good, but I think some are getting the cart before the horse here. Before you can have a STATEWIDE organization there has to be numerous things, a charter, a purpose statement, rules and guidelines, etc. It's fine for some of you to start groups in your home area, but there needs to be someone who can ramrod the whole show, on a statewide basis.

Along that line I have a question. I haven't seen Kenn on here lately, and I would definitely like to hear his thoughts on this topic. He was involved in the old Arkansas Big Bucks Association, at least until one well-known outdoor personality ran out leaving him and several others holding an empty bag, so I would like to hear his take on the whole thing. In addition, he is the most involved of any of us on a statewide basis, he interacts with the commissioners, and he knows how organizations such as this need to be set up. I'd just like to hear what he has to say.

Aside from that, like I say, any action is better than no action, and I applaud those of you who have apparently decided to do something about the situations you obviously don't agree with.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

And who would that person be that left him high and dry?

[Mr. Chitlin]

Originally posted by Earnhardt fan #1:
And who would that person be that left him high and dry? Probably best left right there, huh, Hammer!! :D

[dspeakes]

Hammer
I won't answer for Kenn but he does have some thoughts about this organization that you need to hear. You make valid points about the mission statement, rules, etc and those are being worked out. It will be a statewide organization for all deer hunters regardless of the method used for hunting ( as long as it is legal ). There is a lot of thought and work going on to make this organization work. You are welcome to get involved and help get it off the ground. This will take the assistance of a lot of people to succeed. I know pgooch, FB, CDay and others have already done a lot of work.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Just curious....but that s what killed the cat too,Isn't it?

[Earnhardt fan #1]

I did not know anything about the big buck association so i didn't know abut that ....sorry?

[WarblerWatcher]

Originally posted by Hammer:
so I would like to hear his take on the whole thing. In addition, he is the most involved of any of us on a statewide basis, he interacts with the commissioners, and he knows how organizations such as this need to be set up. I'd just like to hear what he has to say. You can always send him a PM Hammer.

But I'll bet that whether he posts or not Kenn Young is doing all he can to get this organization up and running and it could be closer to reality than some may think. He may have just chosen to do it behind the scenes.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

I think he is at the forfront of this anyway .He very strongly appressed this issue at the gathering we had a few weeks back .He maybe a behind the scenes person because of the past exspereainces but nothe less he is pushing this forward more than most here will see even I don't see it as much as others but he is helping .

[WarblerWatcher]

Not trying to speak for Kenn either EFan Man, but he may feel he's rubbed G&F the wrong way too many times through out the years, like I have on so many occasions, to be publicly out front in any attempt to organization such an organization and feels he can be more effective using his knowledge and experience behind the scenes. And not to be critical of Kenn, but if that's the case he may be right.

So maybe we shouldn't always be so pushy with Kenn about posting and possibly put him in a public spot he may not want to be put in or even have the time to be put in. He knows we're here. He reads our posts. If he doesn't post and you have questions for him, try sending him a PM.

But whatever the case may be just be thankful he's on our side and not theirs because regardless of what some of you may believe there is indeed a their side and an our side. If there wasn't we wouldn't be needing an organization to represent us now would we?

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Agree totally WW !!! graemlins/thumb.gif Be up your way in a few days. Going to the big B. Bentonville to see the sample store and see what bargins I can find :D

[CDay]

Hammer I agree. We have already worked on the mission statement. I think we final have the reigons/chapters defined. I think we need to focus on our bylaws and rules.

We are wanting this as a statewide level under one set of goals and rules. And as Dspeakes stated it is focused on representing the deerhunters of this state no matter how or what to use to hunt as long as it is legal.

Just like WW posted there is some representation at the AGFC meetings but they ain't representing us the everyday common deerhunter.

[Hammer]

You know Chitlin, I suppose you're right about about not saying anymore here. But every time I see that little weasel in the paper or hear him on the radio, spouting about all his ethics and moral values, it makes me about puke. He has none.

[F B]

I dont know the best way to describe Kenn's involvement other than to say he knows about it and he's in favor of it.

Alot of this work is being done behind the scenes.

[Mr. Chitlin]

Originally posted by Hammer:
You know Chitlin, I suppose you're right about about not saying anymore here. But every time I see that little weasel in the paper or hear him on the radio, spouting about all his ethics and moral values, it makes me about puke. He has none. I feel 110% the same way, Hammer!! I spoke a while back with someone who represents a publication he writes for, and I told them that as long as "HE" was writing articles for their publication, I wouldn't give it the honor of wiping my a$$ with it. The girl just gave me one of those "deer in the headlights" looks! :D

[Bowcrazy]

Sure would like to know what this is all about would hate to be supporting someone that dont deserve it.

[F B]

If curiosity killed the cat, Im glad I aint a cat! :D

[Earnhardt fan #1]

graemlins/smack.gif Could be why I stay in so much trouble around home and work!! you think? :confused:

[Kenn]

As I told those of you who attended the get-together a couple of weeks ago, at this point I'm merely watching to see the direction this whole thing goes. I firmly support the idea of a statewide deer hunters organization, but right now I'm still not convinced that 1) the OVERALL support is there; 2) it is feasible, or 3) workable. I guess we'll see.

Several of you have e-mailed me asking questions, or to request me to attend your various meetings. I probably would not care to do that once baseball season is over, but right now I'm hooked up pretty tight.

I see that the NE boys are the frontrunners in this idea. That's good, the rest of you can learn from their mistakes, and since I know most of them there are sure to be plenty of those (just kidding guys)!

My advice at this time: Build slow, get it right the first time, and choose your people carefully. Sorry, but in any organization of this type one bad apple can spoil the whole barrel.

[firehog]

My sentiments exactly, on picking people. Though when going into someting like this you never know how things will turn out. Its the roll of the dice. We all hope we have good people, folks willing to work, and represent the all around common deer hunter, and the deer. We hope we have guys willing to represent and to be able to communicate effectively to state authorities, that manage our deer herd. The thing that excites me is there are guys out there, and on this board, that care about the deer, and hopefully we all will be able to secure a future for the common deer hunter. You know there are many groups out there that take on a cause, and fight for its protection, and not that I see in the present a protection need for deer hunting, but who knows what the future holds. I'm also excited that we have guys out there that realize that the common deer hunter doesn't have a voice, and we make up the majority of deer hunters in this state.

[nlrailroader]

to me it seems the NE guys dont have much to say to some of us other deer hunters. once i post a reply seems like the end of discussion. :confused:

[MountainBuck]

Originally posted by nlrailroader:
to me it seems the NE guys dont have much to say to some of us other deer hunters. once i post a reply seems like the end of discussion. :confused: I've noticed that too!!! That's just the way the them NEABS are graemlins/smack.gif , you probably just need to reply to us YCBs. We'll talk to ya!! You'd Probably get better information, too.
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[nlrailroader]

well, if i have to. thats better than talking to the wall. :D

[DODGEMAN]

As I have stated before, just post something and we will gladly tell you what is wrong about your post. Heck sometimes we might even agree, well we can hope. graemlins/thumb.gif

[nlrailroader]

is there realy deer in ne arkansas? or they just like to think there is.

[CDay]

Yes their is deer in NE Arkansas, in fact some of the biggest. We don't have quantity but we should do have quality and it sure as hell ain't from no damn antler restrictions. In fact it is hurting our deer herd. About 90% of our 1.5 years old bucks are legal under the three point. So in reality in this area the rule only protects buck that we really don't want suriving in the first place.

[nlrailroader]

i didnt know goats grew six point racks.

[CDay]

You said goats. Man you must be turned around. It is Yell county that has the quality goat population. And with all the inbreeding going on down that way that might have a few 6 point goats. :D

[firehog]

nlrailroader, speak my brother, I'll reply. But I warn you, we take our deerhunting serious up here, if you don't believe me stall your truck out on 63 hwy headed north, friday afternoon before opening day of any deer season and see how many trucks you back up loaded down and headed to camp.

[nlrailroader]

i probably take it just as serious too.

[deerhunter]

hello , I just didn't want to leave you with that left all alone by the NEABs feeling. :D

[DODGEMAN]

Yea what he said.

[deerhunter]

I think he's left us hanging now. tongue.gif

[DODGEMAN]

Yea, what you said.