How's this for a start?

[F B]

This thing is gonna be just like the gathering was until deerhunter stepped up and said where and when it was gonna be.

In this case pgooch and I are stepping up and offering our idea.

We had a long phone conversation and decided that to get this thing off the ground we could go with a statewide organization that is broken down into 5 regions of the state.

Its almost impossible to break the state down perfectly into zones that match the habitat but we got it close enough for now.

Each region will have a Director (or whatever title we can come up) who will be the point man for his region.

It might not be a bad idea to have another person from each region to act as Assistant Director which would give us 2 people from each region.

They would be in charge of their region and represent their area at any meetings of the ADHA, AGFC, etc.

Then we'd need a President who would oversee the whole thing.

To start with all these positions would be filled with volunteers but after it gets off the ground we could hold elections.


http://arkansashunting.net/ubb/adhazonemap.gif

I did this map in the space of about 20 minutes so its open to suggestions if a county or two need to be moved.

Zone 5 ended up pretty big so we might want to split it again and have 6 regions or we can leave it as is. It doesnt really matter to me.

[dspeakes]

Looks like a good place to start. We still need to sit down with CDay and get a statewide mission statement. The directors or whatever from each region need to have a meeting before going to the AG&FC so they present a united front and not each region wants this or that. I realize there will be different needs from each region but all should be in agreement. Region 2 looks about like it should to me.

[Rattle-m-up™]

i think you should give up a few of the counties in 5 over to 3,,,,put sebastian county in region 1 instead of 3,,,most people in fort smith hunt in the hills..i think....

[F B]

Im making notes of map changes that yall suggest but I want to wait and make them once we get em all figured out so I dont have to keep doing it over and over.

We need volunteers for a Director and Assistant Director from each region.

You dont have to necessarily live in a region but you should at least hunt there so youll have a better feel for what that area has or needs.

And you need to be willing to put the amount of time and effort into this thing to make it work.

Pat said he would work with Region 3 and Im guessing Clyde will do Region 2 so the others are open right now.

I think that Kenn has the name recognition and connections to be a good fit for President and I nominate him for that position if he'll take it.

[Tony Harris]

FB,
Talked with Pat and I will help him with Zone 3. I actually am in 4 but set in the very corner of Perry, Saline and Pulaski. I don't mind helping in Zone 4 to keep other clubs in our area up on meetings or whatever. Let me know if this will work.

[Hambone]

I talked with Pat about this this morning, and I feel like I really should not get involved right now, BUT what about 6 Zones. I really think you need something that encompasses the delta, not the Delta and the Gulf Coastal Plain together. JMO.

[dspeakes]

1,3, and 5 may need to be adjusted and add 1 or 2 more areas. I am not sure if north central and northwest AR have the same needs as one area. The same with SW and SE AR. Some of the guys who hunt south AR may know more about splitting that area.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Thinking the same thing Ham!!
Move Perry over too???

[F B]

Thats fine with me Tony.

DSpeakes is Director for Zone 1 and Efan is Asst. Director.

CDay is Director for Zone 2 and deerhunter and firehog are Asst. Directors (the more volunteers the better and I dont see why having 3 from each zone would hurt)

PGooch is Director for Region 3 and Tony Harris is Asst. Director.

Bowcrazy is Director for Zone 5.


I think your right Hambone. That will help cut Zone 5 down a little also.

I dont know much about that area of the state. Which counties do you/yall think I should put in Zone 6?

And one more thing while Im at it.

I dont want anybody to think Im trying to run this thing or start making rules, etc.

I just want to get something started ASAP.

Once we get the Directors, Asst. Directors, and the President, they can start figuring out the other stuff.

[ June 30, 2004, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: F B ]

[Gooch]

Ya'll keep the ideas coming and don't be shy. This is for all of us. This is just a starting point. Let's get the lines drawn and get moving.

[F B]

Damn, yall are posting ideas quicker than I can reply. :D

But thats a good thing! graemlins/thumb.gif

Ive been up all night so Im gonna go to bed for awhile.

Keep the suggestions coming and Ill work on the map later tonight.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

I'll help DSpeakes if he wants it! He is on the west side I think while I'm onthe east so that would work.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Move Monroe to either 2 or 6

[Tony Harris]

Maybe since Saline is part of the Ouachita's put it in Zone 3. Move Grant and Jefferson into 4. Like Hambone suggested, create a Zone 6 that would take in Lee, Monroe, Arkansas, Phillips, Praire, Desha and Chicot. Lee is the tail end of Crowley's ridge. JAS

[Hambone]

Personally I think you need Jefferson, Arkansas, Phillips, Lincoln, Drew, and Desha Counties at least maybe Prarie and Lonoke, but those are debateable. It may not be worth doing. I just don't think you want to put the deerhunters together that hunt the prarie with the guys who hunt the pine forests of south Arkansas.

What do you think?

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Maybe Perry into 4

[dspeakes]

EFan1 - anyone who know me knows that I need all the help I can get. :D

[Earnhardt fan #1]

We're in the same boat dude!!! :D

[Tony Harris]

Lot of timber company land in Perry Big E and it is part of the Ouachita's as well.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Okay Works for me.

[Hambone]

F B

Let me say this IMO it is imperative you get a booth set up at the Hunter's Expo if you are going to get this thing going. Kenn knows how to get a hold of Mr. Nelson and see what kind of space is left or how much it would be. I think the firet thing is to get the idea started and then go from there with leaders and directors and such. I would also get with the guys down at Macks, and be at their Fall Festival. I think it is sometime in October maybe the first weekend. if you need help getting in touch with someone down there I will be glad to help you.

Both events will not only show what kind of interest there is for something like this it can also promote the website now and a possible website I am sure you are already thinking about constructing for the ADHA. JMO

[dspeakes]

Good post Hambone. FB there is also usually an expo in Jonesboro at ASU in August. Might want to check into that one.

[Bowcrazy]

Dont want to put myself in charge of something when others may not want me but I do want something started in my area.Talked to 4way last night at the ballfeild and will try to get in touch with BillyK and move from there.Dont seem to be much interest from the people on this board from SWAR.

[Bowcrazy]

One other thing 5 is to big but we can work on it.Dont know much about the SEAR.

[WarblerWatcher]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought there had already been a meeting called for July 19th at the Jonesboro Fire Station to discuss and decide these very topics.

I know firehog and cday have been working their tails off behind the scene to get this thing going and would hate to see either one of them get left out of the loop with this new appointment process.

Seems to me some of this stuff needs to be done through PM's like pgooch said earlier, just as this particular post should have been delivered by PM. Just didn't know who to deliver it too! graemlins/smack.gif

[deerhunter]

I revised the map to include 6 zones, This is just my thoughts along with the other suggestions you guys have made.


http://img57.photobucket.com/albums/v175/deerhunter/arkb.gif

Does this look ok?

[ June 29, 2004, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: deerhunter ]

[deerhunter]

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[Gooch]

Deerhunter, Looks good to me. F B will see it when he wakes up.
WarblerWatcher, We discussed this and thought that as little time was left that we should try the statewide approach. Remember, this is just a stating point. When we gather members, they will vote on officers and a president. I can't be this involved, but I wanted to at least help get it started and then get back in the shadows. Everybody needs to have their input and ideas.
Bowcrazy, Just raise your hand or offer somebody from the southwest section to represent the members in that area. Like I said, this is just a starting block.
One more thing. The AGFC said that they support this very much. I will believe them until proven wrong. They reminded me today that we are their customers. I don't think that Mike Freeze would have came on here and given support to this if he didn't mean it.
Thanks, Pat.

[Gooch]

One more thing. CDay and Firehog, If you already have something going in the north east, then you two need to represent that area. I believe that F B has already said something to this effect to CDay. We just have to remember that this is something for all deer hunters from every part of the state.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

How is the mission statement comming CDay?

[deerhunter]

I'm also willing to help out in zone 2 if needed.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

We have three maybe four events coming up in august and early october reckon we could get booths at each of these events to draw support?

Hunters Expo in Little Rock/Benton

Hunters expo?? in Jonosboro

Fall Festival in Stuttgart the first weekend in october???

[ June 29, 2004, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Earnhardt fan #1 ]

[deerhunter]

I'll help at these events if we do get a booth.Me and EFan have already been mulling this over.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Question......... Can we us the picture off the top of the page for a logo???

[Gooch]

I believe we can get the logo from the top of this page. We just need to get an order together.
This topic is now 5 hours old. Let's keep it rolling. You other members need to chime in here and give your hand.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Our archery club has a shoot next saturday plan on saying something to them before awards .

[CDay]

First I would feel honored to be director or assistant director of region #2. I would like to offer/nominate firehog for director of this region if he would desire the positon since he is already putting alot of effort into this, and I still would be honored to assist him and in way possible to get this going. Plus he has had alittle experience in starting something like this.

I was going to work on the statement last night but ended dealing with two large spills and baghouse problems last, and got injured in the process. Maybe tonight will be alot more calmer as usually and I should have something in rough draft posted by morning.

[firehog]

pgooch,,We have a tentative meeting set, for July 19th. With several guys from this area saying they will show. My personal feelings on setting up a statewide organization, first is outstanding. I had rather do that than go the other way. And that was some of my concerns of setting ours up and then others to follow, and getting the paper work right for that to happen. Some other concerns I had were getting into this, and the rest of the state not following, I mentioned to some, that I'm really not a risk taker, when it comes to time and money, I will give a 110% if I feel there will be rewards down the road. I had several guys PM and voice concerns they had, had with other similer organizations, they had formed in the past. This alerted me, and really made me wonder if we commited to this would it work. And I really didn't know, and still don't But on a state wide level, I would feel alot better about it working.

But I do feel some things have to happen still for a state wide organization to have a impact. One is willing to have a open mind. Two work together for a common goal, and three have total unity among all members. If that can happen then it will work. Deerhunting cannot be compared to many other sports like duck hunting. For one there is many different methods to take a deer, and many different expectations on what a deer hunter wants to take. Those two hurdles are what a organization has to overcome. If the mission and goals allowed for all to see common ground, then I would feel it would have no problems. I looked at Minnesota's web site, and they appear to have a good working deer hunting organization, I don't see why we can't work to have the same thing.

My feelings are we still need to get some area off the ground and set the paper work for the organization so the rest can follow. And it would be nice to know the rest of the state will follow.

There are some motivated guys from this area, that want this to happen, I am one of them. I feel the NE area will have a chapter if this goes statewide.

I have the paper work already that you file for a non-profit organization. The Federal and IRS paper work looked the hardest to fill out, on my own, I had no one that knew how to fill those out, and it be right. So I then seeked a attorney, and got some prices, on attorney's fee. The cheapest was $500.00 plus the federal filing fees. Thats quite a sum of money to get up front for a starting organization with no money. And at this point I'm open to any ideas on how to get this going.

I will help out in anyway.

[rjet]

It seems quite a few board members are ready to do this so why not start by a donation of $10 or $20 for lawyer fees. Being I havent met but only a few of you all I would ask is proof that the money goes where you say it is going to go.

[Gooch]

Firehog, I agree with you 100%. We all have to be on the same general page for this to work. I do believe that we have a better chance at this by starting at a state level. We are all in this together and as long as we stay together we can accomplish these goals.

rjet, Don't worry about dues until we get this off the ground.

Thanks, Pat

[deerhunter]

Originally posted by rjet:
Being I havent met but only a few of you all I would ask is proof that the money goes where you say it is going to go. [/QB]Just send it to me and I'll make good use of it. and I'll even send you a receipt.............Lets see,for 20 dollars I could buy a pack of broadheads or even a new grunt call. graemlins/thumb.gif

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Maybe start a fund for your new bow!!!

[DODGEMAN]

It is about time for him to up grade.

[CDay]

I will glady accept and volunteer to be the director of Region #2 until we get this off the ground and going and hold elections.

I also think we have a good man volunteering to be assistant director for this region as well.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Your not talkin' about Deer(i mean fawn)hunter are you? :D

[deerhunter]

I have volunteered for the assistant director position with Clyde Day. Maybe we can get something going soon.

[WarblerWatcher]

$500 bucks to file for non-profit status is a rip off when most members on this board could do the paperwork and file it themselves, and also not have to worry down the road if the paperwork is right or not because if the Secretary of State grants non-profit status I can assure you that means there is nothing wrong with the paperwork.

If you don't think you can fill out the tax form take it by an IRS office and let them help you fill it out.

Lots of ways to save 500 bucks!

But you're still aways from having to file any paperwork. You gotta meet first and come up with a name and a purpose and directors and such, all of which has to be included in the request for non-profit status from the Secretary of State. Good luck!

[Gooch]

Sounds good! I see that F B is back on here. I'm calling it a day. See ya'll tommorrow.
Pat

[rjet]

Unfortunantly when this thing gets rolling it is going to take some mulla to get it going. Lawyer fees, booth fees, etc.. Probably wouldnt be a bad idea to start talking to your local sporting goods reps to try and get some sponsership on this thing cause it aint gonna be cheap for the first year or so. My guess is the original members are gonna have to fork out some money and time to make it happen unless a few of you have the latter you dont mind shelling out.
Just something to think about.
BTW
I need a new climber so any proceeds would be appreciated.

[F B]

Here's a revised map:

http://arkansashunting.net/ubb/adhazonemap2.gif

Is that better or do some still need to be moved?

Im gonna address some questions/concerns in no particular order:

I agree that expo's and shows would be a good way to promote this thing but if I remember right it costs something like $600 for a booth at the one in Little Rock. If we're talking about setting up in several of them its gonna take some fairly serious money right off the bat.

If we can pull it off though it would be a great way to let folks know what we're trying to do. We can go a long ways on the Internet but not many people even know about this site yet, much less the ADHA.

We're gonna need a Secretary/Treasurer to keep up with money, memberships, etc. I guess the Directors and President can decide how to handle that once they are in place though.

As far as using this logo I dont mind but we might as well go ahead and make one specifically for the ADHA.

The meeting that was already scheduled for NE Arkansas-Go ahead and have it. We're just trying to get past the talking stage and get something going. Once we have Directors and a President they can set things like dues, etc. alot easier than a large group can.

The ADHA is gonna need a website. We can put the map on it, the purpose of the organization, and the names of who to contact in each zone.

Ill volunteer to do it and wont charge anything for what I do but there will be some costs involved like the domain name and renting server space. The name is only $25 per year and no more space than the site will need it would probably only be around $10 per month.

We can use the forum thats on this site since its already up and running and just link to it from the ADHA site.

Bow season is only 3 months away so Im not sure how much we can realistically accomplish before then but we dont do anything if we dont start.

[DODGEMAN]

FB from all the NEAB we appreciate it.

[Bowcrazy]

FB you the man.

[CDay]

FB there are several hunters that live in Region #2 but spent most of there hunting time in Sharp, Fulton, and Independence counties. But it does not matter since this is going to be a statewide association under one common goal and purpose.

[CDay]

Also if no one else has posted about seeing if Kenn would be president. I will take this opporitunity to second the nomination. smile.gif

[firehog]

CDay I was gonna mention that also, that Sharp Fulton, and Independence is mostly hunted from zone two guys. FB don't know if we could represent those countys, cause we will have alot of guys in our zone, that will relate to there hunting and it will be out of our zone. I'm looking at quite a few.

[Gooch]

I need somebody from section 3 to come forward and give me a hand.
Thanks, Pat.

[F B]

Ill make the changes to the map but it might be a little while before I can get to it.

If I offended anyone by going ahead and trying to get this thing going or if I made anyone feel left out, I apologize.

It just seemed like we've talked about this for months with very little getting done so Pat and I decided to pick the ball up and run with it.

There is plenty of room in this thing for everybody and if anybody else wants to volunteer for a region or make a suggestion or help in any way, speak up.

[firehog]

FB, no apology here needed. This is what we need. We also need the rest of the state to get on board. The NE is having their meeting on the 19th, we need the rest to set dates so manybe we can have the regions confirmed by the end or middle of July, and set the directors, and get this going. I figure that 19 days will tell us if this will get off the ground with the rest of the regions.

Where's my crystal ball. when I need it.

[deerhunter]

This is just an idea FB,I have seperated the regions as to the actual area they are in and have seperated the mississippi delta into a north and south region due to it stretching the entire length of the state.

region 1)Ozark mountains

region 2) Norhtern Mississippi delta

region 3)Arkansas river valley

region 4)Ouachita mountains

region 5)Gulf coastal plain

region 6)Southern Mississippi delta.

http://img57.photobucket.com/albums/v175/deerhunter/mapp.gif

[CDay]

No appology need here either FB and Pgooch. If it starts at a statewide level under one common mission statement and purposes that way all of the regions would be on the same page.

[firehog]

DH, might want to look at adding Sharp Fulton and Lawrence to zone two, Alot of hunters live in zone two who hunt those counties, with Jonesboro having a population of 55,000 Those three counties carry a lot of hunters from Jonesboro. just a idea.

[F B]

Here's where we're at so far:

Revised map:

http://arkansashunting.net/ubb/adhazones.gif

Mission Statement:


The Arkansas Deer Hunter’s Association is a newly formed organization whose primary purpose is to give the deer hunters of Arkansas a unified voice in the management of our deer herd.

We will work with the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission as well as lawmakers to ensure that ALL legal methods of deer hunting as well as season lengths and bag limits result in the maximum enjoyment of the resource and creates as much hunting opportunity as sound management practices will allow.

We will strive to be ethical sportsmen, respecting both the deer herd and the environment, in ways that are respectful in the eyes of other sportsmen and the non-hunting public.

We support and encourage ways to get our youth involved in hunting, ensuring that young people get every opportunity to enjoy the sport of deer hunting. This will ensure the future of deer hunting in the state of Arkansas.

Directors:

DSpeakes is Director for Zone 1 and Efan and Rattle are Asst. Directors.

CDay is Director for Zone 2 and deerhunter and firehog are Asst. Directors.

PGooch is Director for Region 3 and Tony Harris is Asst. Director.

Bowcrazy is Director for Zone 5 and Billy K is Asst. Director.


We still need some folks for Zones 4 and 6.

And if anyone is interested in helping out doing ANYTHING please let us know.

Its slow going but we're getting there.

we still dont have a President or a Treasurer.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

I could maybe pull a little double duty in zone 4 since I live here and hunt in Hurricane and a few other private places ? :confused:
Maybe to much foot work to do both but would help some through the week

[fisherman]

The SW part of the state has 3 deer zones 11,12, & 13, the huntinh regs. per these zones is very different, might try to make this part a little closer to the deer zones.

[Troy R]

He y what a good idea guy's glad to see something like this going on. I live in Sebastian county. So once you all get things going I will join up as a member.

Can you advertise ADHA on fliers at hunting stores? The Tackle Box in Ft.Smith is deer hunters paradise, so that would be a good place to try and spread the word. I would think Jerry the owner would go for something like this and allow it in his store.

[Troy R]

Well I left out CrossCreek Sporting Goods, they would be helpful also. I know those guys real well.