Auburn

[Gooch]

How many of you think that Auburn is really getting the shaft by not being able to play for the national title? I don't think that USC or Oklahoma had near the schedule that Auburn went through. I think that the bowl officials set this up because the USC vs. Oklahoma game will draw a larger revenue.

[Ruger]

AU will run up the score, given the chance, against VT and I hope they do. I wouldn't be surprised to see the score 55-0 with the 1st string driving to score with time running out...AU is pissed and rightfully so.

This BC$ crap is for the networks. 32 team playoff...! graemlins/thumb.gif

[Gooch]

Ruger, I believe you are right on this one! I know that the bowl games mean a lot of money for the schools involved, but come on, sooner or later we are going to have to find a better way to determine the national champs. What would be wrong with letting them have one more game? If Auburn blows out VT, then I think that they should play the winner of the Oklahoma/USC game. I believe that the game would bring in a huge amount of revenue!

[fairweatherhunter]

Let 'em play it out on the field! Could use the bowl sites as playoff games, Can't deny the fact Utah is 11-0. Everyone says they had a weak schedule...hell they beat all who came to play. i personally think USC is probably the best team from top to bottom, would like to see them play Auburn, just like they should have played LSU, last year.

[Rattle-m-up™]

well...i would have a gripe...but...in the AP AND the coaches poll...they have USC, oklahoma numbers 1 and 2 respectively...in BOTH polls....this is what the BCS was set up to do...let the number 1 and 2 teams play each other....on the other hand...we could go back to the old way Usc in the rose bowl playing michigan... :rolleyes: ....i think the bcs did well this year..

[Rattle-m-up™]

another thing...VT is playing as well as anyone right now...auburn will have their hands full in that game...

[dirtdart]

I really think Auburn hurt their chances this year by the way they played last year. When you come out pre-season number one and get the crap beat out of ya like they did last year It takes a while to recover. If Arkansas would have beaten Texas and Tennessee would have beaten Notre Dame I think we would have a different scenerio. Just my opinion.

[deerhunter]

I'll tell ya this much...I'll guarantee you that there wont be another team come out of the SEC undefeated and not play for the national championship. Who played a tougher schedule?Nobody thats who. To go undefeated in the SEC is an accomplishment in it's own. It should be Auburn and USC playing for the Campionship.

[nontypical]

What deerhunter said. The SEC is the power horse conference. Srenght of schedule is as follows.SEC,ACC and then maybe Big XII. Auborn got shafted.

[MountainBuck]

Originally posted by deerhunter:
Campionship. Is that some kind of bonding you NEAB'S do when you go camping???? :confused:

[MountainBuck]

Yeah, The AP poll is no more than a poplularity contest. We put a man on the moon 40 years ago, but can't come up with a Fair play off system to get a true National Champion, I think it's BS and I've heard all the arguments why it can't be done. Records being equal and the USC's, Miami's, Oklahoma's will be voted first everytime!!!

[dirtdart]

I've never liked the poll system. I notice every year how these Big 10 teams start the year and where they finish and it's a real joke. Michigan seems to get more pre-season hype than any school in college football. Since I'm in the Military I get to see very little SEC football. When you're stuck to watching national coverage it is usually crap. It really doesn't matter what Notre Dame's is ranked or win-loss total is, they're gonna get national media attention. Add Michigan and any other Big 10 team that's playing. Big markets are getting to decide the national rankings for us and it just stinks.

[Kenn]

Let's take a look at the final coaches poll;

From the PAC-10
USC #1
Cal #4
AZ State #24

From the SEC
Auburn #3
Georgia #7
LSU #11
Tennessee #17
Florida #19

Any team that goes through the SEC undefeated deserves to play for the national championship, period.

[beltcutter]

Dead on target Kenn!

[dirtdart]

I agree also Kenn, I don't have access to the pre-season polls but I wonder how all of the pre-season big ten polls compare to the post regular season polls?

[MountainBuck]

It's not often I ever agree with Wally Hall, But I got a feeling Hell is starting to Ice up today. Here's his article out of todays paper.


Like it is


Preconceived poll notions tilt BCS standings


Wally Hall


It is very simple why Auburn was cheated out of the national championship game. Human error through the polls. The Associated Press and USA Today/ESPN Coaches polls make up two-thirds of the Bowl Championship Series equation, yet both handcuffed the Tigers because they publish their polls seven weeks before the BCS rankings are released. Auburn was ranked No. 18 in the season’s first USA Today/ ESPN Coaches poll. Southern Cal was No. 1 and Oklahoma No. 2. That never changed. The Tigers actually dropped to 19 th before beating LSU and moving up to 15 th. They jumped to No. 10 after beating Tennessee, but Tennessee was No. 9. By the time the first BCS rankings came out, the Tigers had fought their way to No. 3 in the AP and No. 4 in the other. They were No. 4 in the BCS, almost a full point behind USC. Miami was No. 2 and Oklahoma No. 3. Apparently, there was still some doubt about Auburn’s credibility. Or, the voters didn’t have the guts to admit they may have made a mistake. If Auburn had opened the season ranked No. 3 in the polls instead of 18, it would have most likely jumped to No. 2 in the Nov. 1 poll after Oklahoma squeaked by Oklahoma State 38-35.
Instead the Tigers moved from No. 4 to No. 3 with their easy victory over Ole Miss.
Two weeks later, after beating a very good Georgia team, Auburn moved into a tie with Oklahoma for No. 2 in the AP poll, but slipped back to No. 3 and ended up in the Sugar Bowl.
What’s going to be done?
Nothing.
The AP and ESPN do their polls for the fans, not the championships.
An interesting sidebar to this is every major newspaper in Texas, except for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, is considering not voting in the AP poll in the future.
Seems the voters were getting tons of nasty e-mails from Texas fans who thought the Longhorns would be left out of a BCS bowl, which would have been deserved and shows yet another problem with the BCS.
According to the San Antonio News Express, many of the e-mailers were employed at UT.
The Bowl Championship Series might not have treated Tommy Tuberville right, but the Little Rock Touchdown Club certainly has respect for the Auburn head football coach.
Tuberville was named Monday as the LRTC’s first SEC Coach of the Year.
Tuberville led the Auburn Tigers to a 12-0 record and a spot in the Sugar Bowl (more on that further down).
The LRTC also named its high school coaches of the year Monday night, and they will be honored at the Dec. 16 banquet at the Hilton on University.
They are: Class AAAAA, Bernie Cox, Little Rock Central; AAAA, Billy Dawson, Siloam Springs; AAA, George Shelton, Pine Bluff Dollarway, and AA, David Bennett, Dierks.
Tuberville was a fairly easy winner, but the balloting for the high school coaches was a little tighter. But no one had a problem with any of the winners.
Bottom line on the whole BCS championship game is that it isn’t working. Oklahoma, USC and Auburn deserved to play for the national championship. Before you can say playoff, understand that isn’t going to happen. Especially not after the presidents vote in a 12 th game in January. The extra game is to help fund women’s athletics, but it eliminates any chance of a playoff. Yet, more money could be generated for all schools with a playoff. If CBS will pay $800 million each year for the NCAA basketball tournament, can you imagine how much a network would pay for a football playoff. So here’s to hoping there is another split championship.

[Gooch]

MB, I felt the same way when I read this article this morning! Auburn and the SEC is really taking a good one on this!

[split toe]

Yes, it is insane for a team to go undefeated in the SEC (best conference in the nation) and not have the opportunity to play for the national championship. The last two undefeated SEC teams were national champions. If you take a look at the schedules of Auburn, Oklahoma, and USC, you will see that USC has only played one ranked opponent to my knowledge. While Auburn and Oklahoma have played at least four ranked opponents a piece.

[greenhead]

Their should be no pre-season rankings in college football. That is what did Auburn in. Pre-season rankings have so much emphasis on what happened last year. USC and Oklahoma were 1 & 2 based mostly on their play last year. The AP and coaches polls need to come out around the fifth or sixth week, that way it would be totally based on the current season rather than last.

One more thing. The coaches who vote should have to put their name on their ballot each week. I'm sure that some of the coaches in the SEC that have to recruit against Auburn did not even have them in the top 5 on their ballot. And they don't have to have a legit ballot because no one will know how they voted, making them awfull brave. A coach in the SEC might say, "I'm not voting them #1 or #2 because we won't be able to recruit those blue chip athletes in the Alabama high schools because they'll want to go to a school that's already a proven winner". Just my 2 cents.

[Rattle-m-up™]

the coaches do not actually vote in the coaches poll...most of them are too busy so they tell their SID to vote for them...

[greenhead]

most of the coaches DO actually vote. Steve Roberts at ASU was in favor of putting names on ballots. But whats he got to worry about.

[Rattle-m-up™]

let me rephrase that...most major college coaches dont vote....bob stoops doesnt his SID does...when rick schaefer was SID at arkanas, he said he always voted...the coach didnt...