Ron Zook gets canned!

[Rattle-m-up™]

Is Spurrier destined to be the coach again at Florida?

[Ruger]

I don't think Spurrier will be back at FL...IMHO. It may prove diffciult for him to go back and try to replicate his past successes. FL has their eye on the Utah coach.

I suspect Spurrier will pop up at a Div 1 school who has since lost it's luster so he can start anew.

When Nutt was being courted by Nebraska, I was hoping Spurrier would come here. With the receiver corp that's there now, he could run the "fun & gun" offense. But, it didn't happen.

Looks like Broyles is in the hospital again for an irregular heartbeat.

[Rattle-m-up™]

it will be interesting to see...i listened to a little bit of some sports call in show in florida on the internet this afternoon and the fans want Spurrier back bad.

[Earnhardt fan #1]

Maybe we could get rid of Broyles and put Nutt in his place and thenm Spurrier in his place :confused:

[deerhunter]

I could see him going back to Florida if'n the fans want him bad enough.

[fairweatherhunter]

Don't pick on ole Frank and Houston there E-fan, thought we all liked going 7-4, 6-6 or whatever!

[Earnhardt fan #1]

When I was in school we were lucky to go 1-9 so I would say 6-6 or what ever is better than that anyway you go . :D

[Rattle-m-up™]

Lest any of you have short memories...3 of the 4 years prior to Houston Nutt coming here we were 4-7.

[WarblerWatcher]

Guess Rattle likes all them "run and punt" 7-4 and 6-6 seasons! graemlins/smack.gif graemlins/smack.gif graemlins/smack.gif

Personally I'm more of a "fun and gun" 10-1 and 11-0 type guy! graemlins/thumb.gif graemlins/thumb.gif graemlins/thumb.gif

[deerhunter]

Me to WW.. graemlins/thumb.gif

[Rattle-m-up™]

i'll take a run and punt 7-4 season over a 4-7 season any day...

[Ruger]

Originally posted by WarblerWatcher:
Guess Rattle likes all them "run and punt" 7-4 and 6-6 seasons! graemlins/smack.gif graemlins/smack.gif graemlins/smack.gif

Personally I'm more of a "fun and gun" 10-1 and 11-0 type guy! graemlins/thumb.gif graemlins/thumb.gif graemlins/thumb.gif Sounds like my kind of offense...single back, 4 wideouts. And, to make things really interesting, no back and 5 wideouts! Fun and Gun, 5 yard completions to lull you to sleep and a long pass to piss the secondary off. A good running back would make a a defense hurt if they played pass protection all the time. Hillis with his soft hands and bruising hits would wreak havoc on undersized secondaries.

Steve Spurrier would be a wearing his Hog Visor, calling the plays, giving his qb's an ear full every now and then, while the Hogs ran the score to 70 points at least once a season... graemlins/smack.gif dang, I woke up.

[Rattle-m-up™]

well, you have to be able to get great players to run an offense like that and be great...arkansas doesnt get those kind of players. I saw an interesting fact the other day...Florida's athletic budget is around 65 million a year, Arkansas's is half that.

[fairweatherhunter]

Hell, Rattle just buy 'em with that foundation money like all the big schools!

[Rattle-m-up™]

well, my point was this...Florida and most other High profile college programs have the money to pay more to their coaches, not just the head coach, put all the assistants, plus they have more assistants than schools with smaller budgets..so players get more one on one time with coaches...

Here is another question...Houston Nutt has gone to a bowl every year he has been at arkansas and has had a winning regular season record each season...When did only winning 7 or 8 games at Arkansas become unexeptable?

[ARGROUNDSWATTER]

I have to go with Rattle on this. I don't care who the coach is at Arkansas the HOGS will never win a national championship. Like Rattle said, I also saw where Florida's budget is like twice Arkansas'. Also there is a big difference in recruting base. The state of Florida alone has about twenty times the D1 prospects that Arkansas has. Some have stated that they would like Spurrier to come here and be coach. Also I have read that some people would like Zook to replace Nutt. If Zook would not come to Arkansas to inteview after Ford was canned why would he come now. Face it , the Arkansas coaching job is not a top 25 coaching job in NCAA football. Before I am flamed there is nowhere in this country I would rather live than this state and my favorite football team has been and always will be the RAZORBACKS.

ARGROUNDSWATTER

[deerhunter]

I do think we could be of National Championship caliber,just think back a few years ago when Clint sterner fumbled the ball when all we had to do was run out the clock. That victory would have put the hogs at #1 in the polls.

[Rattle-m-up™]

well, i belive we were ranked 7 and tennessee was 1 in that game so we wouldnt have jumped up to number one..but we lost two games after that....the main thing arkansas has going against it is the recruiting base...we just dont have the amount of high school talent in the state that others do...sure our best players are as good as anyone elses, but we just have a small percentage compared to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, California. Sure the stars are going to align every so often and we are going to have a really good team...just not year in and year out like Oklahoma, Texas, Florida state, miami. Do you realize if arkansas can eak out 6 wins this year and make it to a bowl they will have gone to a bowl for 7 years in a row...and THAT has NEVER happened at arkansas before.

[deerhunter]

I know we prolly wont do it on a consistant basis but we can do it.

[Rattle-m-up™]

i too think if everything came together we could get lucky and have a great team every few years...but heck...were winning 7,8,9 games every year up until this year...when did this become not good enough?

[deerhunter]

You cant become complacent and settle for anything less than perfection,strive to be the best. How can you recruit the best players if you say your happy just winning 7,8 or 9 games?

[Rattle-m-up™]

If you were a blue chip running back out of California...and Oklahoma, USC, and Arkansas were after you and they all gave great pitches as to why you should come to their school...which one are you going to pick(seriously). Remember you have no ties to arkansas.

[deerhunter]

Depends on who has the best pitch and just how serious they are at winning a national chamionship. If Arkansas has been in the top ten for a couple of years it would be an easier decision but being satisfied with 7 or 8 wins aint gonna get you there.

[Rattle-m-up™]

Well, this is what arkansas is up against every year in recruiting...they have to compete with these monster programs every year...if a player is awesome, he is going to want to play where all the good players are playing, not where a few good ones are playing...just look at the hogs team this year...how many players on the entire hog team do you think would be starting for oklahoma this year? Zero in my opinion. My point is, its hard for arkansas to get the talent, there are few coaches in the world, if any, that could get the talent all the big schools get, to come to arkansas.

[deerhunter]

I see your point but Arkansas has one a national championship before and we have a great fan following and the hogs get a lot of TV time as well. The hogs also send quite a few players to NFL, these things do help in recruiting.

With a few changes the hogs could tempt more quality players here.

[Rattle-m-up™]

your right..and i think the program is heading into a good direction...sure there are some things that Houston Nutt has done that has made me scratch my head..but i think he is the man for the job..He's from arkansas and loves this state, he is bringin in more talent than the hogs have had in a long time, and he is a motivator. Were not having a great year now..but before the season started we all knew we were going to be young and inexperienced and only returning 1 starter on offense. We did well the first few games and gave texas a run for their money and expectations all of a sudden jumped. Now were playin like everyone expected them to play, and people act like their stunned were this bad. If this is as bad as it gets under Houston Nutt, then we really have nothing to complain about...it has been worse..remember the Citadel?

[deerhunter]

The citadel graemlins/smack.gif ...was'nt the score like 10-6 or something. :rolleyes:

[mossyoakmilitary]

And don't forget about UNLV a couple years ago in the bowl game. In the SWC, Arkansas won 13 conference championships and we have won the SEC West twice since we joined. Now don't get me wrong I like Houston and I think he is a good coach but I don't think they should ever have gotten rid of Ken Hatfield. Let's look at it like this: Houston Nutt has been at Arkansas for five years and he has a record of 48W-27L, 64% not to bad, but when you look at Hatfields record of
55W-17L 76%, that is the best in the history of the Arkansas program, and Hatfield only coached here for five years. It seems like the coaches that we have been attracting are old-school and don't believe that the invention of the foward pass was a significant advance in football. I agree with everyone about the Hogs needing to air-it-out a little more. I just think we should try to get Hatfield back even though Broyles doesn't like him. And about getting Spurrier in Arkansas, do you think that Broyles would let a coach have that much control over a team. Plus they wouldn't offer him the money that he would want. I know that I'm going to get ripped for saying this but in my opinion I think the Hogs weakest link is Broyles.

[luv2deerhunt]

The biggest problem is not the individual recruit. I will put Matt Jones, Peyton Hillis and Marcus Monk up against anyone at their positions in the SEC. The problem is what happens when the few blue chip prospects get hurt. The level of play falls from A to C or D real quick. At Florida, Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn you have an A followed by a younger A in most cases. Just look at Auburn at running back - Two sure NFL backs. Georgia has a great throwing quarterback and an above average combo quarterback. The lineman are also two deep at most of these schools. We get a great Arkansas talent every year or two but we will never be able to compete as a steady top 10 program until we recruit depth at every position. We must be able to recruit against TX, LA, OK, MS, AL, FL, and TN schools. Until we can beat them on the recruiting trail we will never be able to beat them on the football field.

[WarblerWatcher]

Originally posted by Rattle-m-up:
Do you realize if arkansas can eak out 6 wins this year and make it to a bowl they will have gone to a bowl for 7 years in a row...and THAT has NEVER happened at arkansas before. Another bowl on ESPN2 some Sunday night at midnight after "eaking" out 6 big wins would be good Rattle. But good's not good enough when better is expected!

I would only point out that in school, a score of 6 or 7 out of 11 would be a big fat F. Even an 8 or a 9 wouldn't get you one of those big gold stars!

So 6 and 5? 7 and 4? Another record appearance in the "Soup Bowl"? Thanks Frank, get well soon. And thank you Houston, stay healthy. We'll need you guys to be at the top of your game if the Razorbacks are to "eak" out another great, bowl bound, 6 win season this year.........Pigs, Sooey!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/bjgobble/Razorbacks1.jpg

[Rattle-m-up™]

Originally posted by WarblerWatcher:
[QUOTE] But good's not good enough when better is expected!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/bjgobble/Razorbacks1.jpg No one has answered my original question..when did the program get to the level that 7 wins was unexeptable?

[luv2deerhunt]

Whatever becomes common becomes unexceptable. If Vandy won 7 or 8 games they would be excited. We have the been there done that syndrome, and we don't want to remember those 4-7 seasons. Winning increases the expectations of winning not only for the fans but for the AD as well. Look at Nebraska. They won 9 games a year with Frank Solich as the coach and said they wanted to win more, but really they wanted to win different. They did away with the running quarter back and now have the "west coast offense". Bet they wish they could go back to 9 wins a year. If enough SEC teams will fire their coach for 8 or 9 win seasons, (Zook could win 9 is they win out and a bowl game) kids/parents will begin to look for stability and we are blessed with that at Arkansas. We have kid problems from time to time, but not Coach problems. IE - Tice at Alabama, or the Ast. Coach at UAB. If we can begin to win recruiting battles we can begin to compete for that glass football.

[WarblerWatcher]

Originally posted by luv2deerhunt:
If enough SEC teams will fire their coach for 8 or 9 win seasons, (Zook could win 9 is they win out and a bowl game) kids/parents will begin to look for stability and we are blessed with that at Arkansas. I agree about the stability part but don't think our particular style of stability is a blessing.

If we're gonna be stable let's not be stable with the old and tired Frank Broyles and Houston Nutt mentality of "3 runs in a cloud of dust and punt" brand of football. That brand of football is so boring and predictable it will absolutely at times put this fan to sleep.

So somebody tell me why anyone would be against stabilizing our program with a new "fun and gun" type AD who will hire coaches that will open it up and at least make it fun for fans to watch and players to play. Now that kind of stability I could call a blessing!

[luv2deerhunt]

I guess I would rather win with a balanced offense than lose with fun and gun. Look at the numbers. We are 3rd in the league in points 31.9, 3rd in the league rushing, 4th in passing yards, and 3rd in the league in total offense. Not really a 3 run and punt team. It is one of the most balanced attacks in the SEC and nation. Now defense is another story. We score plenty of points but we give up way too many yards and points. Again, we need more depth at defensive line and cover corners. Most SEC teams rotate 6 - 8 Def. lineman. We cannot even get our d-line back-ups to quit jumping off-sides. Nutt is a great head coach and offensive Coordinator. We need a high paid defensive Coordinator/recruiter. Maybe Zook could fill this position. He will have a little free time next year.

[F B]

Here is another question...Houston Nutt has gone to a bowl every year he has been at arkansas and has had a winning regular season record each season...When did only winning 7 or 8 games at Arkansas become unexeptable? Nutt does deserve credit for going to 6 bowl games.

He also deserves credit that we only won 2 of them.

I dont think only winning 7 or 8 games was ever acceptabale except right after the 4-7 seasons and it looked pretty good then.

But like someone else said, winning raises expectations.

We had the 4-7 seasons and Nutt brought us up from that.

But he's been there 7 seasons now and its time, or past time some would argue, to raise the bar and not consider a 7 or 8 win season as good.

I dont expect them to compete for a national championship every year but I dont think its too much to expect them to finish in the top 15 or 20 consistently.

[WarblerWatcher]

Originally posted by Rattle-m-up:
No one has answered my original question..when did the program get to the level that 7 wins was unexeptable? The first year they went to an 8 game season! smile.gif

[Ruger]

Steve Spurrier has pulled himself from consideration. I bet something else has come up... (Miami Dolphins?)